Common people in the west know hardly anything about India. But one thing they all know: India has an ‘inhuman’ caste system, which is an important feature of their religion, Hinduism. Most also ‘know’ that Brahmins are the highest caste, which oppresses the lower castes, and worst off are the untouchables.
I learnt this already in primary school. The Indian caste system with Brahmins as villains was part of the curriculum in Bavarian schools in the early 1960s, when we children had no idea where or what India is, and it still is part of the syllabus today: some time ago I asked three young Germans in Rishikesh what they associate with Hinduism. Their prompt reply was, “caste system”. Surely, they also had learnt that it was most inhuman. In all likelihood, all over the world school children are taught about the ‘inhuman’ caste system. Why?
There is likely an agenda behind it.
Yes, the caste system exists, and untouchables, too. And it exists all over the world. Curiously, ‘caste’ is Portuguese for class. It is not even an Indian term. The ancient Vedas mention four varnas – Brahmins, Kshatryas, Vaishyas and Sudras, which form the body of society, like the head, arms, thighs and feet form the body of a human being. It is a beautiful analogy which implies that all parts are important. True, the head will be given more respect, but will you ignore your feet? Not everyone is made for intellectual work, fortunately, because a society without farmers, traders, workers won’t be possible. All have their role to play. And in future lives, there are likely to be role reversals.
Varna was not hereditary originally. It depended on one’s predominant guna (quality of character) and one’s profession. The job of Brahmins was specifically to memorise the Vedas and preserve them absolute correctly for future generation. They had to have predominately Satwa (pure) guna and had to stick to many more rules for purity than any other caste.
Brahmins were the guardians of the purity of the Vedas. So it is understandable that they would not touch those who for example remove the dead bodies of animals or clean the sewers, though a society needs people, who do these jobs, too. In the west, people also wouldn’t shake hands with them. But no issue is made out of it.
Due to their satwa guna, Brahmins were least likely to be abusive to other groups in society. Usually it is the group which considers itself socially just above another group, which looks down on those lower. This trait is there in all societies, but it is true, that in India, unfortunately over time, the four varnas were inherited by birth. There are today many Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Sudras, who do not follow their dharma any longer and therefore should not consider themselves as belonging to their inherited varna.
But why is the structure of the society in India constantly decried, when nobody accuses for example the nobility, the highest ‘caste’ in the west, that it does not mingle with workers and won’t live in their neighbourhood?
Why is nobody upset that the British allowed only ‘whites’ into the club of Madikeri town in Karnataka and probably all over the country, as an old Indian gentleman told me? If I remember right, he said that the sign at the club read, “Dogs and Indians not allowed”.
Why is nobody upset that the agriculture policy of the British Colonialists starved over 25 MILLION Indians to death? 25 million men, women and children slowly dying because they had nothing to eat in a country that was one of the richest before the British took over… There are terrible pictures on the net of Indians only being skin and bones, barely alive.
Why is nobody upset that the British, after slavery was abolished, sent indented labour from India all over the world in cramped boats, where a big number died during the journey already (and were spared the torture in the sugarcane estates)?
Why nobody talks about what the Muslim invasions did to Hindus and especially to Brahmins? How cruel they were? How many Hindus were killed or made slaves? How many Hindu women committed mass suicide by jumping into fire so that they won’t fall into the hands of the Muslim troops?
Due to ISIS, we can well imagine what happened then, yet the Leftists and even ‘respectable’ British Parliamentarians are not concerned with all this. They are concerned with the ‘most inhuman caste system’ of India. It can be safely assumed that the colonial masters tried to drive a wedge between the castes by ‘fixing’ the former fluidity of varnas in their census from 1871 onwards. And today, their democratic successors, though without political power in India, try to drive a wedge with the help of manipulative media and even parliamentary legislation in their own country.
My point is: what Brahmins did by segregating from others or even snubbing others is negligible in comparison what Christian colonialists and Muslim invaders did.
So why are the so-called atrocities of the caste-system so hyped? The reason may well be to divert the attention from those who actually should feel guilty what they did and still do to India. It’s not the Brahmins. Many of them suffer today, mainly due to reservation and, though poor in many cases, by being excluded from benefits which are given to religious minorities or lower castes.
But this is not the only reason why the caste system and Brahmins are being bashed worldwide. Another important agenda is to shame Brahmins, to make them feel guilty about their forefathers and to make them reluctant to follow their original Dharma of learning and teaching the Vedas. The goal is to make Vedic knowledge disappear in India, because it poses a danger for Christianity and Islam. It can easily challenge their so called “revealed truths”. Vedic knowledge makes sense and is therefore the greatest obstacles for Christianity and Islam to expand over the whole world.
Unfortunately, a lot of Vedic texts are already lost. The former Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, Sri Chandrashekarendra Saraswati, says in his book “The Vedas” that out of 1180 Shakas, into which Veda Vyasa divided the 4 Vedas some 5000 years ago, only eight are still in use. (Question: would a search in England, Germany and other countries rediscover some of this treasure?)
It is about time to stop this unfair Brahmin bashing and stop portraying the Indian caste system as the worst that has ever befallen humanity. It sounds so fake, especially, when ISIS gets neutral treatment by just mentioning facts, like I read in a news item, “ISIL burns 19 Yazidi women to death in iron cages because they refused to have sex with fighters” without any emotional colour or condemnation.
Some time ago, I saw an old Brahmin couple in a temple in south India. They had dignity, but were very thin. When Prasad was distributed, they were in the queue before me. Later I saw that they joined the queue again…. It was in all likelihood due to poverty.
Brahmins don’t need to feel guilty about their forefathers. They can be proud of them, because it is only thanks to them that India is the only country that has preserved its precious, ancient wisdom and tradition at least partly.
Yet others should indeed feel guilty, but those others are brazen and won’t. They rather vitiate the atmosphere with unjustified hatred for Hinduism and anti-Brahmanism.
By Maria Wirth
PS: I would like to let you know that my book „Thank you India! A German woman’s journey to the wisdom of Yoga“ has a chapter on caste. It is available under the below link. It’s also available on Amazon.in, but on amazon.com only the Kindle version is available.
https://www.garudabooks.com/thank-you-india-by-maria-wirth/
(actually i was advised by someone who likes my book and wants more people to read it, to add this para to my articles)
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Thank you Ms. Maria Wirth, for the clarification about the caste system.
In general, the Brahmin community has all along borne the brunt of the unjustifiable attacks silently, with faith in Bhagawan. The anti-Hindu forces focus their attacks on the Brahmins because they have found out, logically of course, that the Brahmins are preserving the fundamental aspects of the Sanatana Dharma, popularly known as the Hinduism nowadays.
Though much more remains to be explained, your article kindles reasonable thinking and directs the attention of the people in the right direction. Please continue your great service to the Hinduism and awaken the mass, who have been blinded by the cunning campaigns of the forces inimical to the unity of Indian people and Hinduism.
Thanks! This is indeed a great article must read by every Brahmin
As always, all clarity and the truth well said
Yes, very correct. Infact if we read any normal article about India currently in the western / foreign media, it introduces such biased adjectives like “hindu chauvinism / terrorism ……..in the write ups as normal things !! we have to counter this false and motivated propaganda. Regards,Alok Kumar
Well stated and very true
But for the brahmins the vedas would’nt have existed so far.The great epics, mahabharatha and ramyana were constantly recited among the masses by the brahmins so that hindus do not loose their character and they were the guardians of our culture more so. Nobody talks about that. THey focus only on the negative aspect. Very sad. Article is a eye ipener. Thanks to Maria
Actually those who are referred to as Brahmins are not really Brahmans for if they were, they would have spent much of their time eradicating the evils of untouchability by promoting the truth of the caste system (http://www.vjsingh.info/books.html) and we don’t have to worry about what has been lost of Vedic texts, there is enough to elevate the human soul through the teachings of Maharishi Swami Dayanand Saraswati.
“The four classes came to exist by reason of the diversity of men’s occupations or professions. For example, the teachers of science of divinity came to be called “Brahmans;” the conductors of military affairs, “Kshatryas;” the traders in commodities, “Vaishyas;” and menial servants, “Shudras.”
He is not a Brahman, who follows the profession of arms, and so forth, with the rest.
Thus the classification of men into castes is based upon their callings and not, as is now regarded, upon birth. Hereditary castes, irrespective of professions, came into existence after the Great War”.
Or as I would put it, with the birth of Hinduism.
Here is my response to a Muslim who questioned the caste system:-
Mohammed: Since money does not bring happiness, what is the difference between a Brahmin and a low caste?
Vj ~ A Brahmin is a reincarnated Hindu once victimized and the low caste was the Muslim who committed the act.
Mohammed: Since both the Brahmin and the low caste may have Equal mental capabilities, what is the difference between the two?
Vj ~ The Brahmin knows that if he doesn’t follow the teachings of the Vedas he is going to be a Muslim in his next life, whilst the other realizes, through his present condition as a low caste, he is punished for being a Muslim in his last life.
http://www.vjsingh.info/islamdial1
Very true and nicely written mam
Great insight.Appreciate your effort in speaking the truth.
An American ask me about casteism and why Brahmins were given special treatment. I just asked what you expect your govt. to do with scholars (who are learned), teaches in university, schools, do research. He said govt. should provide funding, respect, honour and protect them. Also, earned scholars should be respected irrespective of their political ideology. I said exactly Learned scholars is exact word for a Brahmin. He said but you say Shudras are like feet. I said ” Society is always built on its work force, By the way only stupid will think that feets are not important for human body”. He agreed and understood in end that Casteism is exactly what Congress family is doing now.
Wow – just wow. It well written and true.
Maria has startled the world with her biting commentary once again.
She has captured the essence of the debate while still out-arguing the other side in a point by point rebuttal that is devastating as well as classy.
Many Kudos and Pranams to this wonderful German for the gifts that she has given Bharatamata time and time again.
It is time that Hindus fight the good fight by logic and skill as in Sankara’s time to defeat the Abrahamic death cults parading as religions.
The world sorely needs a third way: beween Islam and Christianity. There are many billions of people who are trappped in these death cults and want to get away. But unless Hindus start to speak in a forceful and loud voice that there is a way out of the cults, we will never be able to lead the world towards peace.
Jai Hind!
It is a pity that a person from a non indian background ( by birth ) has the guts , understanding , depth and clarity to reveal this extra ordinary truth.
Ms Maria you seem to be a brahmin in your past birth. Salute to you.
Have been waiting to read something like this since years.
Thank you. Will spread your article to more then 1000 people
Mithun Shah
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thank you, yes, please spread.
and the “brith of Hinduism” was mid-wifed by the British to form Vedic tradition into something that it was not, but which could be demeaned.
I don’t know about the propaganda by Christians and Islamist because then It will sound like conspiracy theories usually given by Islamists against Christians and Hindus that they are trying to destroy their religion but Hinduism in India has been put to shame by the political parties here.
Thank you, Maria ji, for the apt article. Brahmins were upholders of Bharatiya values, wisdom and knowledge. That is the reason they are attacked to destroy the foundation of Bharatiya sanskriti (culture).
Great Article Maria JI . very insightful and thoughtful .
Thank you Maria. Very well written indeed. You have said what we have felt all along but have not for fear retribution. The Paramacharya of Kanchi has mentioned in his writings that the role of the Brahmin is not only to protect the Vedas, but also perform all the rituals mentioned in our scriptures not for himself but the well being of the whole world. “Loka samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu” !!! That is bigger picture of the varnashrama but so badly understood and misinterpreted in India!!
I’ve written a similar blog with respect to Rohingyas who are trying to seek shelter in India but govt. has denied them refuge and talking about deporting them back to Myanmar.It mostly deals with Security Nd geopolitical aspects of the problem.Plz give it a read mam..
https://anuragtalks.wordpress.com/2017/09/08/india-and-rohingyas/
Really when someone doesn’t be aware of after that its
up to other people that they will help, so here it occurs.
The problem is, no one recognizes their plight as real due to western agenda of Brahmin bashing. This was the reason no one cared about Kashmiri Brahmin and their slaughter in their own land and, I think this is a travesty.
But in reality, they didn’t posses any power politically in India, they only were responsible for intellectual property and nothing else. It is true that kings did seek advice from them is because they were the only class which was educated and their main function was to impart the knowledge of Veda and nothing else.
I think they were hated by British because they understood the dynamic of their system of devide and rule and it’s normally educated people who challenges the system politically which kind of makes them the easy target in the return for the hate.
The other reason for hate was because of their association with elite of the old country and their rulers. If you were educated in old time, you were given same respect as Brahmin, regardless of your varna.
The only way to defeat your enemies was by eradicating their culture and tradition and the only way to do that was to undermine the keeper of the tradition and they were Brahmin. This was same as books burning in Germany. When you burn the books you eradicate the knowledge and that normally makes it easier to rule the population.
There is normally more than few reason to hate someone. This is why they are still hated, the only difference is haters goals have changed.
ture, and unfortunately many who know little about India, believe it. it’s also very common to believe by Indians whose ancestors converted out of Hindu Dharma..
Virtuous
Thanks
We live not knowing the values of our traditions. Political system have driven many people leave the country. Any person with high qualities is termed as Brahmin. There are treasures in Hindu philosophy, one needs to take pride for borne in this cult. Even Swami Vivekananda has confirmed what is the ultimate. We will do practise what best can be done as individual & family. It is not only maria who has understood the values, there are many Germans enjoying them in ramana ashram Thiruvannamalai. Same time there many hereditary Brahmins. Who want software job, Benz car, best wine, non veg food, not even tell any names still want the tag as Brahmin. It is the difference.
Mam….had tears running down my cheeks as I read your article. The fact that we have been made to be ashamed of our glorious past, that too by Brahmins only, is the sad state of affairs we are in today. I am a proud Brahmin and I will be one, till I breathe my last. It would take a lifetime to realise what Brahminism is.
Very thought provoking article on Hinduism and caste system in india. Another agenda is vote bank politics. To some extent brahmins do not join together to bash others. Rich and poor exhist in all varnas. Others are pampered and brahmins are made to suffer though atrocities are commited by others.
Maria Wirth does a great service to us Hindus by reminding us of the truth and exposing the double standards as well as hidden agenda to subvert Hinduism . Wake up all Hindus ! Arise ! Awake ! Act ! Now !
Thank you Maria Wirth for telling it as it is.I believe that your view is quite correct .Brahmins were targeted from the earliest times ,perhaps even during Alexanders invasion, only because they were the repositories of knowledge ,culture and tradition,Without which this great nation would have lost its reason for existence. Whatever we are today , we owe it to the great Maharshis of yore. .
Mughals ruled Bhaarat from 330 years and British ruled India for 100 years, roughly. Varna system has been in practice in India for way longer than these years. Atrocities by neither Christians nor Muslims exist today in as large scale and intensity as upper castes doing on lower castes still today in independent India.
atrocities? do Brahmins kill or are they being killed? just look what happened in Kashmir in 1990. this was true atrocity, but nobody talks about it, because it does not fit the agenda.
Dear Ms. Wirth,
I am now a follower of Sanatana Dharma from the US. I left Christianity because I did not want to be forced into believing something which does not make sense or have my beliefs contradict science. Thank God I found Sanatana Dharma, which is not a blind-believing, divisive, restrictive boundary which we English speakers call “religion,” but a set of philosophies and a way of life, open to all. I have lived my entire life in the US, but feel close to India and its Hindu beliefs, which have survived thousands of years of challenges and oppression and still continue and live on.
As for your article, I marvel at your fantastic skill of writing and your ability to get your ideas across condemning others or spreading hatred. This article I can especially relate to.
The caste system thrives, not in India, but in American history textbooks, and I, a person who has been educated in the US am able to justify why. This “agenda” you write about, is very, very true and can be proven by reading a chapter on the so called “Hinduism” and its practices in California state history textbook. When I was in middle school, I clearly remember reading about the “horrors of the Hindu caste system and how it treated the poor ‘untouchables’ and screwed the country” when the school teachers dared not give us any more information about the atrocities of the Atlantic Slave Trade. What I find more disturbing is the same idea is conveyed in school textbooks today, though many revisions and changes were sought from Hindu organizations across the country. This “agenda” is very much alive and is purely hate based to distract attention from the scientific accuracy of the Hindu texts and save the dying theological belief that is Christianity.
I must thank you very much for writing about this sensitive topic and hope that more and more people read this great work!
Much respect and dhanyavaad!
Also, I really enjoy your blog and the unique perspective you express and with that, I would like to suggest an idea for your next article. I have been doing some research and found that the topic of the continued efforts of converting Hindus to Christianity by Western missionaries is one that has gained popularity currently after the Indian State of Jharkhand illegalized proselytization and a new proposal to ban it as well in Nepal is being considered. Perhaps this topic will help you with your next article?
I am glad to read the blog. If you look at human evolution, a woman needs some body to gather food at the time of conception and delivering baby. Only human child requires support of mother for at least 3 years. Society evolved out of necessity. Next is a strong human or for that matter any animal is possessive about its gene pool. The strong man subdued weaker males and the groups evolved. Again out of necessity people were divided to cater to specific needs of the groups. The dominant male is became ruler, the advisers became Brahmins, strong among the group became farmers and soldiers and others resorted to different occupations. There was no mention of caste in Valmiki Ramayan. Indian caste divide is the handiwork of British Rulers. It so happened the most troublesome opponents of British rule are Brahmins and the rulers created the caste conflicts. The present day brahmins are the most tolerant among the castes. You donot find honour killings. The Brahmin bashing is a political ploy and the younger generation is radicalised by opportunistic and selfish people from Brahmin groups as well.
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Well said.
Although the transformation of varna into a heriditary entitlement diluted its systemic auhenticity, the value of preserving the civilisational heritage of Sanathana Dharma – a universal path towards enlightenment – is of importance for the evolution of all humanity.
What is important in this era of swift information proliferation, is for people to be mindful of hidden agendas and instead understand things based on their own personal exploration of how the disparate are interconnected.
Madam Maria, Appreciate your comments on Hinduism and significance of caste system.
Please note Our country is Bhaaratam , all born here are Bhaaraeeya and our dogma of co-existence is Sanaathana dharma. No where in our ancient scriptures the word Hindu or India exists. these is a names are thrust upon us by the invaders like Europeans and Muslims. Sanaathanadharma embraces all in oneness. The invaders of Bhaaratam misinterpreted all our dogmas of universal coexistence. The so called religions are introduced by the invaders of our country.
By the way, I am going to address a “Hindu conference” in New York and Newjersy (USA) along with Dr. Subrahmaniaswamy (MP) on 6th & 7th October .
Are you in anyway connected to this World Hindu conference?
thank you. Glad to hear this. i hope there are more people lilke you in the west.
regarding your sentence “your ability to get your ideas across condemning others or spreading hatred.” i hope you meant “without” condemning others or spreading hatred. i really don’t feel any hatred. but i want to expose certain things and stick to the truth.
Maria Wirth
Namaste, you are right that ‘Hindu’ and ‘Indian’ are later terms to describe the people beyond river Indus, though Swami Bhoomananda Tirtha claims that “Hindusthaanam” is mentioned in the Barhaspatraya Samhita.
I wrote several articles why the British tried to disconnect the Vedic knowledge from the newly created term “Hinduism” (would be something like “Germanism”) and portray the latter in bad light.
But since the ‘religion of Indians’ is known as Hinduism now all over the world, I use the term and try to show that it is one with the Vedic tradition (and not really a religion in the sense of Christianity and Islam) which was praised by the European intelligentsia when it first reached there.
No, I am not connected with the World Hindu Conference, but am happy to hear that such a conference is organized.
Please check some more articles on my blog if you find time and if useful, share those thoughts.
Maria Wirth
Thanks. You are very correct.
My only solution to Hindu Society. If non-brahmins are unhappy with brahmins, throw them out of Hinduism. They will go away with all the Vedas , upanishads and temples. Let all non-brahmins live happily without the botheration of brahmins, and live like a single caste. Can you? – – – –
There is no point in blaming brahmin for all the ills of society. Every individual is responsible.
Maria Wirth is a sadhak on the path of Yoga. She has chosen this spiritual path not because of earning some religious merits but because of her profound urge to search the purpose of this life. Her capacity to capture the inner truth underlying the Hindu social organization into four Varnas is revealed not only in this very article but in all her articles. Reading her articles is a real treat to one’s intellect. She is not seeking to serve Hindus but to TRUTH and Divine. She is treading the path of Integral Yoga, about which most of Indians have little or no inkling. From this perspective, one may say that it is the duty of every Indian who wishes to learn to read all her articles.
Shreepal Singh
This article, though written by a foreigner has analysed the issue very clinically and brought out the cancer openly ! I am a Brahmin and I never go around boasting about my caste or religious affiliation but for the fact that my forehead always wears the religious mark! Believe me, now it has become a fad in India even in private business dealings, for people of certain communities to flaunt their reservation status to curry favors and business deals. If the business is not gained, they are free to take recourse under minority atrocities act! Varnasram which was to make one to become familiar with a trade mostly family type trade has gone so much mutation now no one wants to look at that trade as a livelihood and everyone wants to be an Engineer / Doctor to wear a white color coat or stick to a white collar job! Other religions with conversion as a motto lure the masses and get them converted but the basic caste and its benefit no one wants to loose !! Vedas always anted the well being of all concerned and most of the prayers are for the well being of one and all in Hinduism !!
Reblogged this on Ribhu Vashishtha.
u are great Maria. what hindus did not do for Brahmins u did it. God bless u.
I apologize, I can get a little lazy while editing my writing. I did mean “without” in that sentence.
It is so nice & gratifying to read Maria’s explanation (correct one without an agenda) about India & its caste system; Yes. I do agree that there is NO such thing as Hinduism; all the Hindus are followers of Sanathana Dharma ; Having arrived in Canada some 51 years ago and still living here
happily, I have noticed the attention given to HOLOCAST & its accompanying atrocities; but no one
wants to mention the millions of Hindus slaughtered by the Muslim invaders who were ruthless ;
I hope persons like Maria will take it up and chronicle these atrocities or atlas, some Hindu will take
it up and keep writing about it relentlessly. Thank you Maria.
V. K. Srinivasan,(age 85) Toronto.
Very true. Actually Brahmins as children of brahmins are at a great suffering and unjust treatment today .
True brahmin is not the same as anybody born to a brahmin couple, as mentioned in the article. Our sages and sadhus were not necessarily brahmins – not Kabir, not Vivekananda, and nobody had any problem with it. Same in the old ages -neither Ram nor Krishna nor all the vedic age rishis were brahmins.
The pathetic activism of many followers of socialites and intellectuals to fall in line with western impositions in anxiety to be politically correct to such expectations is devoid of thoughts or balanced views, and is a potent tool to destroy our national and social pride , which is exactlt what a country should not do.
Madam congratulate you for your thought Provo king work.Indeed you have awaken brahmins.Thanks. Lots of love
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Very nice. At last some one is neutral!
Very factual analysis.
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Very well written and it is true that Hindus are maligned all over the world as it is the oldest religion and all other religions are offshoot of it. Still it is the most tolerant religion except some misguided people who misuse their status. But such people are in every society.
excellent as always Maria
Having born in a christian family from Kerala and settled down in Chennai, I always had this one nagging question when I hear of the christian conspiracy of converting all to their faith, How do the existing Christians get to benefit when everyone in this world becomes Christians?
Technically and logically there is none. This whole theory is a sham.
I am very secular in nature and am at ease with almost all faiths and believe every faith has some good things to follow about but to be a good human being, we need not really look for religious guidance but just have to be more humane in our approach to fellow human beings. Simple common sense can tell us what is right and what is wrong. So please don’t pounce on me thinking that I am defending any faith. I really don’t care whatever happens to Christianity or Hinduism as long as humanitarian attitude and concerns are alive.
Of course every creed, culture and tradition in the course of our civilization would have lost considerable amount of knowledge treasure and may still have a lot of hidden knowledge that are yet to be explored or studied. And many have whittled away due to negligence and deliberate destruction by opposing groups or ideologies. It had always been survival of the fittest.
So all these fanciful hidden agendas doesn’t really make sense to me. The only thing that matters to our existence is peace and happiness. And there are groups or individuals who are bent upon disrupting it so that they have their hidden agenda of commercial advantage in an atmosphere of bickering and perpetual calamity. They are like the vultures who feed on the dead.
There is also one more important point to be mentioned about which I’m really worried about. Rolling out statistical data on who did what bad and how bad or who is worse than who kind of information doesn’t really help us. Though they can be highlighted for the purpose of record, we cannot justify one criminal action because of another criminal action done earlier. The wisest thing will be to see the folly of blaming one another and sticking on to the right thing in a righteous way. All those bad deeds are bad examples and it becomes all the more logical to abandon such bad activities today and pursue the virtues of humaneness.
And one last thought – Why will ever a bird leave its flock when it is happy and content in its own flock? So, instead of investigating the the hidden agenda, I would ensure every member of my flock is happy if I am really worried about this member flying away. I am sure even those birds that had left earlier would be inclined to join your nest again. Let’s compete to do good and treat well one another.
Who dares? ☺
Excellent writing. Intact the caste system is ardently followed by non Brahmins in India more than the Brahmins.which is eminent in honor killing across india due to inter caste marriages.
Very insightful.
I felt that this article is a load of BS. Not only does it seek to deflect the injustices caused by Caste system, it also engages in blaming others British, Muslim invaders for problems that afflicted Indian society esp the Hindu society.
The writer makes no mention about the Dalit caste, correct me if I wrong when I say that these were people who were outcastes meaning doesn’t belong to the 4 varnas. Please make me understand who were responsible for an host of social taboos that targeted these groups? Not the british, not the Muslim invaders.
When Periyar at a young age did a pilgrimage to North, Kashi what happened was that he nearly died from thirst on the way simply because his low caste status meant that he was not allowed to access the public well that dot the route. Can author with a straight face say that the class inequalities in England in 17th century compare to this? In Kerala till the late 19th century low caste Hindus were not allowed to enter the Temple of Gods by upper caste groups. There is a famous peom about a Lowcaste man singing praises to his god outside his temple not being allowed inside.
If the leftists are talking about this shameful era in Indian modern history it is not to unfairily criticise Brahmins or Kshatriyas who enjoyed centuries of domination and superiority, it is done to remind everyone of our history.
Mam thanks for this great knowledge. I have to say many thinks and want ti know .thus i want to talk to you if it is possible.
Plz provide me source to talk to you thanks.
My email – gurudayaly@gmail.com
mariawirth12@gmail.com
many years ago i was in Shantivanam, a small Christian ashram in TN. a priest was visiting and he told me about projects how to convert Dalits to Christianity. i debated with him, felt it was wrong to uproot the youth by telling them about socalled atrocities by upper castes.
Please be aware that missionaries (Leftists are working in the same league) have an interest to malign Hindu Dharma.
you also would know that caste-system is practised by the Church, too. Take whatever benefit you can get from the Church, but do not forego the truth. your ancestors were in search of truth and the knowledge that is in the Vedas is incomparable. it gives you freedom. yes, this world is not alwasy fair, nowhere. do your best to change what you can, but do not walk into traps led for you.
why do Europeans get out from the Church in big numbers nowdays? because now nobody can punish them anylonger if they do not agree with the dogmas.
not only in Europe, in Goa, too Chruch was most brutal in enforcing her ‘only truth’.
Maria Wirth
What the aryan invaders did to this country is far worse than what the christian or islam missionaries have done. And the hinduism and brahmanism only flourished in India which is only one out of approximately 200 nations in the world. Knowledge was kept afar from all the varnas leading to a wide divide amongst the indigeneous dravidians. All thanks to these aryan invaders who changed the fate of indegeneous dravidians.
Aaron Abraham N, your comment only provides us with proof that this “agenda” of criticizing the newly coined “Hinduism” is alive and very much ongoing. Instead of marveling at the profound depth, evolution of beliefs, and scientific accuracy of the Vedic texts, you seem to be jumping around about the “caste system” and how higher classes have oppressed the lower, blaming it entirely on the Hindu religion and claiming that it has nothing to do with foreign invasions. Well, let me inform you about an island named “Bali” which, though is a small island in the world’s largest Muslim country (Indonesia), has retained its Hindu beliefs and boasts a 85% Hindu majority. You will not be surprised to know that of course the Varna system is strictly followed here as it is a part of Vedic texts, but will be astounded at how it is followed. There are the 4 Varnas, Brahmanas, Kshatriya, Wesya, and Shudra, with Shudras forming 90-95% of the majority of Balinese Hindus. You will be glad to know that there is no such thing as an “untouchable caste” here as there is no mention of it in the Vedic texts and discrimination among the existing Varnas is unheard of. In fact, temple priests are of all Varnas with a high number of them from the lowest Varna. It is very common for a Shudra to be the boss or superior of Brahmanas and other Varnas, and it does not matter to the people at all. You will be happy to know that inter-caste marriages are commonly accepted and not at all odd. All are considered equal and enjoy food and festivals together, celebrating their rich Hindu heritage. Mind-blowing, no? All we have heard of is the continued segregation of castes in India and violence that comes with it, not only humiliating Hinduism, but putting the blame entirely on Brahmins. Please note that Hindu beliefs reached Bali somewhere in the 8th century, long before Muslim or Christian invasions. Perhaps, this was how Hinduism was practiced before such attacks on its culture were increased as foreign influence trickled along…
Ms. Maria Wirth is not trying to “deflect” any attention away from caste related segregation, but is merely stating the truth about how Brahmins are viewed in the Western world, and I, who is an American, firmly agree with her point of view. Yet, you seem to hate this unique point of view and insist that it is a cover up for the crimes committed by the Hindu people who are blaming Western influence for this. Christians and Muslims have landed on every part of this planet and immediately start propagating their religion, not only by preaching, but by formulating and spreading highly opinionated thoughts and turning locals against one another, yet the crime is still put on Hinduism and Brahmins. Let me ask you: why is it that Hindus are criticized now for explaining their point of view which makes perfect sense, when Christians and Muslims have been doing it to conquer lands and spread their religion for thousands of years?
I congratulate JoWilson for his excellent comments defending Sanathana Dharma followers, commonly known as Hinduism, thanks to the conniving brains of the Colonialists. Neela’s & Abraham’s comments are good in their own views & worths. They have a right to their opinions but
then, will not hold any water in an intellectual debate. I am, however, astonished to see how poor they are in their intellect, in spite of the vast amount of information available nowadays in the multi
media. It is so easy to type a few words on your computer but then it is very difficult to fully understand the meaning of holy/ancient scriptures like the Vedas, Upanishads etc.
Thanks JoWilson for your efforts.
V. K. Srinivasan, Toronto, Canada.
Brahmins passed on the scriptures selflessly by making their children memorize all knowledge / shruties vedas /puran etc
They used their children’s brains memory as SLATES to ensure that the knowledge given by rishies devas gods is passed on to coming generations.
Indeed indebted to selfless pure Brahmins
Dear Maria,
Thanks for your article. I am a brahmin from Tamil Nadu, and was affected by the reservation policy missing my Engineering admission by a score of. 1.25 marks. You are really a brave woman, even though born a foreigner, you have understood India culture very well, than most born Hindus themselves, who unfortunately are trying to ape the west slavishly without discrimination. My pranams to you.
Regards
Upanuvakya
Aryan Invasion Theory is a myth created by a jealous Brit that was embraced by non Indians readily without any scientific basis. It was debunked with genetic studies thankfully. Indians have nothing to do with the DNA of people living in other regions. Chill.
This sacred knowledge is kept secret because not everyone can understand the depth of the meaning of upanishads. For example google ‘Mahavakhyas’ and see the profound knowledge packed into those short lines.Do you think everyone can understand them, also how many contemporary hindus have taken pains to read the abridged version of upanishads, the most important scriptures of hinduism? Not many.
‘@jowilson, some excellent points there my man. A small suggestion.Please do write in small paragraphs, it makes easy to read.
Proud to read this as a brahmin.yesnwht u said is true.
Conversion of hindus is a very serious agenda for all christian denominations and especially so for the Vatican. Vatican called this as the century of Asia. After 1947 they have built some 10,000 churches across India. Billions of dollars are pouring in. Convert by any means is the slogan both christians and muslims follow.
I am a proud brahmin and your article made me feel prouder. Your thought process is thought provoking and has the capability of waking up the true brahmin. Certain of my uncles and grand fathers were vedic “pundits” and they earned tremendous respect, but always struggled financially. But that did not deter them from their professional commitment – memorize vedas and spread the knowledge (free of cost). Today, there are barely any who can propagate vedic knowledge. And it is shockingly sad as you pointed out, that the hidden agenda from the west will eventually prevail, unless a mass of brahmins wake up!
After going through the views of reader I suggest one and all to go through the reportaires of Megasthene Fabien Thomas Roe etc which largely talks about Indian society. A synthesis with a discount of the bias will give a reasonable picture of caste system and brahmnical structure. True intent of caste system was functional interdependence I.e. Jajmani system. But Indian curriculum doesn’t teach that.
A fair analysis giving a near truth depiction. Most of the so-called inhuman concepts like caste system, sati, child marriage, lack of education of women etc were predominantly an outcome of atrocities by Muslims and European invadors. But narrative was consciously changed the invaders consciously to cover their own guilt. Unfortunately post independence like leadership continued with the anomalies. Now it’s again the brahmnical class and people like Maria and Gautre who are trying for restoration of truth.
Very well written Maria. Thanks for making an effort to bring out the truth.
I can’t understand why only the proselytizing religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism) see to get great respect and honor as well as an intellectual appearance while non-proselytizing religions and cultures are treated as pagan.
If you are saying that the “weakness” of Hinduism is that it did not spread beyond the Indian subcontinent, I can assume you can justify the 100 million people killed in the Americas in order to spread Christianity and the forced rape and conversion in the Middle East/Africa to grow Islam. Nobody seems to talk about those things because the focus is diverted to the “caste system” and “overcomplicated rituals” of Hinduism.
I am a firm believer that the reason people criticize others is mainly because of their self-insecurity. This can be justified by the overwhelming criticism of the Hindu religion, which is simply because Christians and Muslims feel insecure of their theological beliefs that rely solely on a book and unverifiable claims which needs assistance from colonial rule and war to grow versus an umbrella of philosophies and practices that absorbs culture instead of destroying it.
What you have written is only one side of the truth. The other side is that Brahmins themselves discarded Vedic studies and fell prey to the assuring western style education and job opportunities. They moved to metros in search of jobs and further moving to foreign countries. After they became well financially they did not lend a helping hand to propagate Vedas.
Aryan story is, yes, truly untrue and imaginary cooked story by the English only divide us to rule. It is has been already proved as fake and hence let’s not spread it further anymore, for God sake.
Your accusation could be partially true, but entirely. I know personally that there are so many Brahmins who could not study Vedas due various reasons but helping the system or institutions generously that teach Vedas to aspirants. Even I myself, as a proud Brahmin, do some helping hand according to my level. Blaming blindly is not fair Sri Krishna Garu.
Thank you sir, and I will definitely take your suggestion, excuse me for my messy formatting.
A well researched and well written article. Liked how you stated your points.
Ohh really you are still believing a rubbish Aryan invasion wow ,you people are so insane and double minded,okk what knowledge you are talking about knowledge of farming ,business,trading and other services are available to shudras and vaishyas they can easily live with the use of that knowledge only knowledge of Vedas and monopoly over them are of brahmins so what wrong in this,a Brahman has to follow many disciplines for this ,a lower varna may not be able to follow these disciplines,if khatriya comes second in varna system they have to protect all other varna’s and sacrifice their lives ,when war broke out no shudra ,vaishya loosing their lives they live safely as khatriya are protecting them when foreign invaders came they humiliated Brahmans only as they were knowledge no other community follow such humilaliation ,during wars only khatriya loosing their lives no other community loosing their lives so to see varna system as evil makes a man evil himself,this was the perfect only wrong was the inherited untouchability
Dear Ma’am,
Forwarding an article as received. Relevant with wonderful article written by you.
कुमार अवधेश सिंह के वाल से (साभार)
मैं ब्राह्मण नही हूँ। कल एक वामी satya Raja मेरी पोस्ट पर ब्राह्मण के खिलाफ गालियां लिख रहा था। उस मनहूस को ये पोस्ट समर्पित करता हूँ।
सवर्णों में एक जाति आती है ब्राह्मण, जिस पर सदियों से राक्षस, पिशाच, दैत्य, यवन, मुगल, अंग्रेज, कांग्रेस, सपा, बसपा, वामपंथी, भाजपा, सभी राजनीतिक पार्टियाँ, विभिन्न जातियाँ आक्रमण करते आ रहे हैं।
आरोप ये लगे कि ~ब्राह्मणों ने जाति का बँटवारा किया।
उत्तर – सबसे प्राचीन ग्रंथ वेद जो अपौरुषेय है और जिसका संकलन वेद व्यास जी ने किया, जो मल्लाहिन के गर्भ से उत्पन्न हुए थे।
18 पुराण, महाभारत, गीता सब व्यास जी रचित है जिसमें वर्णव्यवस्था और जाति व्यवस्था दी गयी है। रचनाकार व्यास ब्राह्मण जाति से नही थे।
ऐसे ही कालीदास आदि कई कवि जो वर्णव्यवस्था और जातिव्यवस्था के पक्षधर थे जन्मजात ब्राह्मण नहीं थे।
अब मेरा प्रश्न उस satya raja के लिए
कोई एक भी ग्रन्थ का नाम बताओ जिसमें जाति व्यवस्था लिखी गयी हो और उसे ब्राह्मण ने लिखा हो?
शायद एक भी नही मिलेगा। मुझे पता है तुम मनु स्मृति का ही नाम लोगे, जिसके लेखक मनु महाराज थे, जो कि क्षत्रिय थे।
मनु स्मृति जिसे आपने कभी पढ़ा ही नही और पढ़ा भी तो टुकड़ों में कुछ श्लोकों को जिसके कहने का प्रयोजन कुछ अन्य होता है और हम समझते अपने विचारानुसार है।
मनु स्मृति पूर्वाग्रह रहित होकर सांगोपांग पढ़े। छिद्रान्वेषण की अपेक्षा गुणग्राही बनकर पढ़ने पर स्थिति स्पष्ट हो जाएगी।
अब रही बात ” ब्राह्मणों “ने क्या किया ?तो नीचे पढ़े।
(1)यन्त्रसर्वस्वम् (इंजीनियरिंग का आदि ग्रन्थ)-भरद्वाज
(2)वैमानिक शास्त्रम् (विमान बनाने हेतु)- भरद्वाज
(3)सुश्रुतसंहिता (सर्जरी चिकित्सा)-सुश्रुत
(4)चरकसंहिता (चिकित्सा)-चरक
(5)अर्थशास्त्र (जिसमें सैन्यविज्ञान, राजनीति, युद्धनीति, दण्डविधान, कानून आदि कई महत्वपूर्ण विषय है)-कौटिल्य
(6)आर्यभटीयम् (गणित)-आर्यभट्ट
ऐसे ही छन्दशास्त्र, नाट्यशास्त्र, शब्दानुशासन,
परमाणुवाद, खगोल विज्ञान, योगविज्ञान सहित प्रकृति और मानव कल्याणार्थ समस्त विद्याओं का संचय अनुसंधान एवं प्रयोग हेतु ब्राह्मणों ने अपना पूरा जीवन भयानक जंगलों में, घोर दरिद्रता में बिताए।
उसके पास दुनियाँ के प्रपंच हेतु समय ही कहाँ शेष था?
कोई बताएगा समस्त विद्याओं में प्रवीण होते हुए भी, सर्वशक्तिमान् होते हुए भी ब्राह्मण ने पृथ्वी का भोग करने हेतु गद्दी स्वीकारा हो?
विदेशी मानसिकता से ग्रसित कम्युनिस्टों(वामपंथियों) ने कुचक्र रचकर गलत तथ्य पेश किये। आजादी के बाद इतिहास संरचना इनके हाथों सौपी गयी और ये विदेश संचालित षड्यन्त्रों के तहत देश में जहर बोने लगे।
ब्राह्मण हमेशा ये चाहता रहा किराष्ट्र शक्तिशाली हो, अखण्ड हो,न्याय व्यवस्था सुदृढ़ हो।
सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिन:सर्वे सन्तु निरामया:
सर्वे भद्राणि पश्यन्तु मा कश्चित् दु:ख भाग्भवेत्।।
का मन्त्र देने वाला ब्राह्मण,वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् का पालन करने वाला ब्राह्मण, सर्वदा काँधे पर जनेऊ कमर में लंगोटी बाँधे एक गठरी में लेखनी, मसि, पत्ते, कागज और पुस्तक लिए चरैवेति चरैवेति का अनुसरण करता रहा।मन में एक ही भाव था लोक कल्याण।
ऐसा नहीं कि लोक कल्याण हेतु मात्र ब्राह्मणों ने ही काम किया। बहुत सारे ऋषि, मुनि, विद्वान्, महापुरुष अन्य वर्णों के भी हुए जिनका महत् योगदान रहा है।
किन्तु आज ब्राह्मण के विषय में ही इसलिए कह रहा हूँ कि जिस देश की शक्ति के संचार में ब्राह्मणों के त्याग तपस्या का इतना बड़ा योगदान रहा।
जिसने मुगलों यवनों, अंग्रेजों और राक्षसी प्रवृत्ति के लोंगों का भयानक अत्याचार सहकर भी यहाँ की संस्कृति और ज्ञान को बचाए रखा।
वेदों शास्त्रों को जब जलाया जा रहा था तब ब्राह्मणों ने पूरा का पूरा वेद और शास्त्र कण्ठस्थ करके बचा लिया और आज भी वो इसे नई पीढ़ी में संचारित कर रहे है वे सामान्य कैसे हो सकते है?
उन्हे सामान्य जाति का कहकर आरक्षण के नाम पर सभी सरकारी सुविधाओं से रहित क्यों रखा जाता है ?
ब्राह्मण अपनी रोजी रोटी कैसे चलाये ? ब्राह्मण को देना पड़ता है पढ़ाई के लिए सबसे ज्यादा फीस और सरकारी सारी सुविधाएँ obc, sc, st, अल्पसंख्यक के नाम पर पूँजीपति या गरीब के नाम पर अयोग्य लोंगों को दी जाती है।
मैं अन्य जाति विरोधी नही हूँ लेकिन किसी ने ब्राह्मण को गाली देकर उकसाया है।
इस देश में गरीबी से नहीं जातियों से लड़ा जाता है। एक ब्राह्मण के लिए सरकार कोई रोजगार नही देती कोई सुविधा नही देती।
एक ब्राह्मण बहुत सारे व्यवसाय नही कर सकता
जैसे — पोल्ट्रीफार्म, अण्डा, मांस, मुर्गीपालन,
कबूतरपालन, बकरी, गदहा,ऊँट, सूअरपालन, मछलीपालन, जूता,चप्पल, शराब आदि, बैण्डबाजा और विभिन्न जातियों के पैतृक व्यवसाय क्योंकि उसका धर्म एवं समाज दोनों ही इसकी अनुमति नही देते।
ऐसा करने वालों से उनके समाज के लोग सम्बन्ध नही बनाते।
वो शारीरिक परिश्रम करके अपना पेट पालना चाहे तो उसे मजदूरी नही मिलती, क्योंकि लोग ब्राह्मण से सेवा कराना पाप समझते है।
हाँ उसे अपना घर छोड़कर दूर मजदूरी, दरवानी आदि करने के लिए जाना पड़ता है। कुछ को मजदूरी मिलती है कुछ को नहीं।
अब सवाल उठता है कि ऐसा हो क्यों रहा है? जिसने संसार के लिए इतनी कठिन तपस्या की उसके साथ इतना बड़ा अन्याय क्यों?जिसने शिक्षा को बचाने के लिए सर्वस्व त्याग दिया उसके साथ इतनी भयानक ईर्ष्या क्यों?
मैं ब्राह्मण नहीं लेकिन बताना चाहूँगा की ब्राह्मण को किसी जाति विशेष से द्वेष नही होता है। उन्होंने शास्त्रों को जीने का प्रयास किया है अत: जातिगत छुआछूत को पाप मानते है।
मेरा सबसे निवेदन –गलत तथ्यों के आधार पर उन्हें क्यों सताया जा रहा है ?उनके धर्म के प्रतीक शिखा और यज्ञोपवीत, वेश भूषा का मजाक क्यों बनाया जा रहा हैं ?
मन्त्रों और पूजा पद्धति का उपहास होता है और आप सहन कैसे करते है?
विश्व की सबसे समृद्ध और एकमात्र वैज्ञानिक भाषा संस्कृत को हम भारतीय हेय दृष्टि से क्यों देखते है? हमें पता है आप कुतर्क करेंगे, आजादी के बाद भी 74 साल से अत्याचार होता रहा ।
हर युग में ब्राह्मण के साथ भेदभाव, अत्याचार होता आया है।
कुमार अवधेश सिंह के वाल से (साभार)
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Excellent analysis and exposure of prejudice against India. I enjoy reading & learning from your BLOGS. Thanks
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i checked twice, but there was no comment from you yesterday. so i wonder what you are talking about. this comment is 17 hours old, but to approve it, i have to go to the website, and it is just now that i went to wordpress for the first time today. you cannot expect immediate approval when i don’t see your comment.
truly amazing that you have such unfounded suspicions after just one day wait. please check, i publish all comments except those with badly abusive language.
Dear Maria ji
I wonder why you still resond to such inferior opinions expressed by some slender and indicipline persons. Please keep distance from such filthy way of responses, for God sake.
You are bashing brahmans? If you are Indian then please leave India because it was created by Brahmins, 90% of freedom fighters were Brahmins. Dalit are those human who don’t have a destination. If you gave them money they’ll convert their selves as what you want. Banda’s were not Brahmins why did they started to “sacrifice of children for God”. Ashoka was not Brahmins why did he killed innocent children, women in kalinga. Wait for increase in no. Of Rapes, murder etc because humans are not following Dharma. Evilness will rise then all will realise what sins everybody did with nature in name of God, Caste, Color, Race, Country, Language etc. Har Har Mahadev
Bro send me friend request on fb we would like to help you. We had to Unite for others who are suffering. Yesterday a poor Brahmin committed suicide but not a single news channel show this. We have a organization only for those who believe they are Brahmin either it is by work or Karma.
Link- https://m.facebook.com/mani.dwivedi.127?__xt__=12.%7B%22unit_id_click_type%22%3A%22graph_search_results_item_in_module_tapped%22%2C%22click_type%22%3A%22result%22%2C%22module_id%22%3A0%2C%22result_id%22%3A100007096267015%2C%22sid%22%3A%22425a7a23fb246aa7a1c6dc7901427fe5%22%2C%22module_role%22%3A%22NONE%22%2C%22unit_id%22%3A%22browse_rl%3A52995a3b86d3c8c8bc2ea3a05df857a0%3Ac1%22%2C%22browse_result_type%22%3A%22browse_type_user%22%2C%22unit_id_result_id%22%3A100007096267015%2C%22module_result_position%22%3A0%7D
Sir send us friend request on fb we would like to have you in our organization. Only for Brahmins. I will add you after conforming that you are Brahmin.
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Excellent analysis and exposure of prejudice against India. I enjoy reading & learning from your BLOGS. Thanks
True, what a well written article, thank you.
An objective analysis by a Westerner is heart warming. Indian politicians have been poisoning the atmosphere by mindlessly abusing brahmins, mostly for votes. Even recently the ex finance minister P.Chidambaram, who is in great trouble, abused the community in an anti-brahmin conference and almost immediately reverently conducted a pooja with brahmin priests to overcome the trouble ! This hypocrisy is so common in the TN, the headquarters for ‘hate brahmin’ club ! I am proud that this community is by and large still maintaining its old traditions by being honest, sincere and hard working abjuring violence although continuance of these are now under threat due to various developments. Their population too is shrinking as ‘one or two’ children norm is being adopted by them.
Very well brought out.
Bhramin bashing definately has an agenda that has & is costing the country and its future very dearly.
The power plays from the palaces of the kings & rajas of yore to the Mughals and the British and their inheritors of power, the Indian Politician have been and are, scared of the “seekers” in Society – The Bhramins.
By upbringing this community questioned
Aron’s comments are absolute ‘BS’ to use his own terminology. He claims to be a higher ‘Bhramin of his definition’! The know all of another ‘Castes’!
The main point in the blog about the difference between the vedic ‘varnas’ and the ‘castes’ as created by various insecure kings, Moghals, British to suppress the ‘seekers'(Bhramins) in their populations, is lost on Aron, who seems obsessed by the very disease that inflected the power mongers in history – feeling threatened by ‘seekers’ who will question before accepting anything.
It is important to understand that these varnas classification of Society exists even today and is not castist as many would make us believe, such as Aron who is deliberately obfuscating the essence of the blog.
‘Caste’ is a very long debate & has been made to permeate into our lives even today like a grind stone that has retarded our progress as Individuals, Society and a Nation; but that is beyond the issue highlighted in the blog.
On the limited issue of ‘Bashing of Bhramins Being an Agenda’, this is a very well made out argument and we’ll written blog.
I compliment the author.
Dilip
True. Many people follow the colonial narrative till date inspite of being aware of British following Macaulay’a draconian designs. But there are some who follow Macaulay’s designs even now, do it intentionally to downgrade Indian society. To check this all Hindus should be educated about the truth and then unite against the perpetrators.
This entire article of your is far away from truth.
Dry toilets- cleaning shit with bare hands was forced upon lower caste people by Brahmin. Even followed today. Lower caste people are even killed for touching garbage bin of high caste.
No right to cover upper torso of women- forced to not cover their breasts as they were lower caste people. Forced by Brahmin.
No right to education – tounge cut off, eyes burnt as punishment to lower caste for attempting to educate oneself. Driven away from villages as outcasts. Practiced even today in higher education.
Cunningly keeping the places of education inside or near temples to avoid participation by lower caste. Practiced even today. Gurukuls exists.
Shaming and not allowing inter-caste marriages saying purity of birth is important. Killing adults who marry in the name of honour till today, by Brahmins.
Not allowing money and power to flow from upper caste to lower caste and hoarding it with malice. Forced by Brahmins till today.
Separate sitting place, eating and socialising place for upper caste and lower caste and outcast/ hurt/ kill those who don’t follow the rule to discriminate fellow humans. Practiced even today.
Hereditary education system to propagate caste, that shit cleaner children will grow up educate themselves and will still end up to clean shit. Forced by Brahmins.
All these and many more done to have Brahmin dynasty.
All these will end only when Hinduism as a religion ceases to exist in the world as Hinduism practiced modern day apartheid. Otherwise the Brahmins will propagate this fake superiority by birth till end of time.
Even the entire British populace misunderstood Caste with class as you have also mentioned. Otherwise the lower caste could have had a country of their own without these social evils.
Ramayana and Mahabharata are myths told even today to propagate caste discrimination.
Reservation to lower caste is to end this Brahmins discrimination by providing access to education and a dignified life.
Hinduism will come to an end as it practices apartheid.
Perfect perspective. Yes, the caste system was atrocious to an extent but nothing comparable to what others did. Only one aspect of the caste system was highlighted and maligned. Thank you for sharing this.
Reblogged this on Voices and Visions.
You are really so far from truth. Are you paid by someone to write this mis-directional article or you really believe in writing on important issues without doing proper research on it?
Instead of talking generally, could you please give examples for where I am wrong?
Caste system was not heriditery for a long time; however, probably because of the knowledge in Genetics and Genetic memory gained by the Sanatana Dharma followers over time, caste system would have been made heriditery in the Indian subcontinent. Today, with the advancement of Genetics and little knowledge in Genetic memory, one may appreciate that with little training in any skill, the kids may master those skills over a short period of time in comparison to their fore fathers provided the same had been their profession through generations.
Varna meant race, and brahman and kshatriya were sa varna, it also is swebioin in german language. It means, belonging to your own people.
The varna brahman meant a race, and majority of them were eurasian, indo european group of speakers. And they were high lords. These people came to extinction long long time back, starting from mahabharata war. India always had race wars in the past. In fact, even kings like ram persecuted many aryans. So, any claim that only brahmans destroyed the native indigeneous people is also wrong, because the other side of destruction is not being taken into account.
And what’s wrong in preserving identity, using any means, when, one knows that they have migrated from other regions?
The caste brahmins is a middle class type of occupation, and the indo-brachid group of people were framed into this. They were not high lords, or law makers but sort of clergy men. In fact, caste brahmins did more atrocities on the indians rather than the the race of high lords.
Many of the race brahmans took christianity also, under portugese rule.
I wonder how you define race and from where you got your history.
I am into various anthropological forums.
Besides,my ancestors were land lords even under anglo-saxon british rule. Race is mostly linguistic, but, even in that, the segregation are like Indo-Europeans, Altaic etc. Then Inndo European is further classified into Indo-Iranian and then Indo-Aryan
The aryans who migrated towards Indian Subcontinent are proposed to be mitanni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni
Their ancestors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture
These are uralic people
wikipedia should not be taken as truth. you may have noticed that it is often biased against Hindus.
a Persian taxi driver in Germany told me, when i said i live in India, “our ancestors came from India.” he is more aware of the facts than biased western (Indian) academia.
No not at all. There’s no bias against hindus. Who were hindus anyways?
There’s no reference of hindus in vedas. What is termed as indus valley civilization is actually excavation sites are harappa and mohenjodarho.
The saptava sindhu river actually flows from pakistan-punjab region, not in gujrat, otherwise, narmada should have been described. But the flow of rivers mentioned in rig veda describes other geography.
How can the war-chariots be discounted? Even in ramayan, indra gifts ram the war chariot. So, can we assume that even ram is not an Indian?
Thank you so much for putting everything in the words properly. We know all this. But you expressed it appropriately. Thanks again.
Hindus never think of ‘flock’. Today this flock mentality of some religions is spoiling peace and happiness world over.
Forget all this religious talk; there are only two classes, the rich and the poor. The rich have no religion, but you most likely have one. If you’re ever going to have a chance at rising beyond poverty the first step is laying aside your religion and start looking at the world with fresh eyes. Religion is there to keep you in your designated place and that is at the bottom. For your own sake; wake up!
Most Indians follow brahmanism and their tribal tilaks on foreheads and arms and their environmental damaging rituals without knowing essence of Hinduism.
More here.
https://brahminsexposed.wordpress.com/
Wow! That was a perfect reply from Jowilson, Thank you! I feel in India, the caste system is kept in tact to use it as a tool to gain power, keep the Reservations going. There was a provision in the Constitution for Reservations for 10 years only and further action based on necessity after analysing the upliftment of the society, Dalits particularly. However, the then rulers, the Congress, to keep themselves in power, willfully stretched this Castism, continued to provide Reservations and secured votes of this large mass!
Today, the situation is that a well to do dalit family still reaps the benefits of Reservations in securing good education, government jobs, promotions in jobs without actually being deserving. On the other hand, a poor Brahmin family would be struggling for survival for the lack of any support from the government whatsoever!!
People like Aaron are either falling prey or knowingly milking the situation…further agravating it to keep their interests alive….!!! Sad
Mam that period goes behind. Now Indians are more closer that earlier. Your words look like christian missionary. Have you written any word about pollution due to new year firecracker celebration? You liar. Your christian preachers had worst history in the world that I have read. You propagate your religion on the basis of lie. Nothing true in your sayings. The most fraudulent speeches i have heard from your missionaries. Always they made me laugh. Doing irrelevant things to attract poor and illiterates. First think about your religion and it’s lie first set standards in your religion before thrashing any other religion.
I have written my previous comment without reading article.
great, Madam
Glad you read it at least after commenting. but was it so difficult to apologise for calling me a liar? would it not have been the natural thing to do?
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“Curiously, ‘caste’ is Portuguese for class. It is not even an Indian term. The ancient Vedas mention four varnas – Brahmins, Kshatryas, Vaishyas and Sudras, which form the body of society, like the head, arms, thighs and feet form the body of a human being. It is a beautiful analogy which implies that all parts are important. True, the head will be given more respect, but will you ignore your feet? Not everyone is made for intellectual work, fortunately, because a society without farmers, traders, workers won’t be possible. All have their role to play. And in future lives, there are likely to be role reversals.
– If you read history of India. The first social reformer is Basvanna. He was a Brahmin who opposed caste system and fought against injustice in South India in 12th century. He started a religion called as “Lingayats” . Portugues came in 1498. So you think Basvanna was hallucinating against an imaginary social evil?? You may be right on terminology but the effect that you claim is far from truth.
You are idea of justice is dependant on a future life. How different it is from judgement day or anything else. This was very well discussed by Alber camus in his philosophy of absurdity.
“”Varna was not hereditary originally. It depended on one’s predominant guna (quality of character) and one’s profession”
-So the present day Brahmins or even before 12th century, who had thread ceremony and said to be dwijas, was there any entrance test that tested Guna?Any historical evidence. They do it to 7-8 years old kids, is there was to say that these kids had Satva Guna then say a kid elsewhere.
“Brahmins were the guardians of the purity of the Vedas. So it is understandable that they would not touch those who for example remove the dead bodies of animals or clean the sewers, though a society needs people, who do these jobs, too.”
-If Vedas were memorized and no one can touch knowledge , how can a person’s touch desecrate purity.Does touching someone has effect on memory? This is untouchability. Was there a way to test if anyone from those people who cleaned dead bodies etc, if they had Satva guna.So Satva guna was only for Brahmins or people with Satva Guna were Brahmins?
So from these above points, aren’t Brahmins to be blamed for not following the Vedas properly as they say varna is not dependent on birth but guna, so these people were the first to bring shame to vedas. They just went on piling the benefits without ever questioning the morality of it. As in Mahabahrat where Bhisma was punished not for crime but for keeping his silence at injustice, even Brahmins should be punished for allowing society to function by un-Vedic ways, dont you think?
“Why is nobody upset that the British allowed only ‘whites’ into the club of Madikeri town in Karnataka and probably all over the country, as an old Indian gentleman told me? If I remember right, he said that the sign at the club read, “Dogs and Indians not allowed”.
– That is the reason they were kicked out of the country in 1947 .Remember? You want people to do the same for people who commit caste crimes?
“Why is nobody upset that the agriculture policy of the British Colonialists starved some 25 MILLION Indians to death? 25 million men, women and children slowly dying because they had nothing to eat in a country that was one of the richest before the British took over”
– People are upset, if you come out of your shell and read something other than your own set of articles from people who conform to your thought, there is ample amount of articles, books criticizing Churchill for Bengal Famine.
“Why nobody talks about what the Muslim invasions did to Hindus and especially to Brahmins? How cruel they were? How many Hindus were killed or made slaves? How many Hindu women committed mass suicide by jumping into fire so that they won’t fall into the hands of the Muslim troops?”
– Caste system did not allow any one except Kshatriyas to carry weapon. These kshatriya were busy drinking and what not. In any country , where country is in danger, common people take up weapons to fight, but here it was a right to reserved to kshatriyas and they failed in their duty to protect.Caste system doesn’t have a court where you go and complain when a caste fails its dharma. But , only shudras were punished for missing their duties.So blame caste system for Islamic invasion
“The job of Brahmins was specifically to memorise the Vedas and preserve them absolute correctly for future generation”
– You say they most of vedas are lost. So who to be blamed. If only Brahmins could carry weapon and fight invaders they could have preserved it. Caste system which they followed is the reason for it. Dont you think?
“But why is the structure of the society in India constantly decried, when nobody accuses for example the nobility, the highest ‘caste’ in the west, that it does not mingle with workers and won’t live in their neighbourhood?”
– Heard about Karl Marx M’lady. French revolution? Russian revolution??
“Why nobody talks about what the Muslim invasions did to Hindus and especially to Brahmins? How cruel they were? How many Hindus were killed or made slaves? How many Hindu women committed mass suicide by jumping into fire so that they won’t fall into the hands of the Muslim troops?”
– They weren’ the only victims. Everyone was affected. Don’t forget the same Brahmins were there in their courts. In British India Brahmins had the highest number of government post. Stop playing the victim card when you were indeed priviliged.
“Nowadays, due to ISIS we can well imagine what happened then, yet the Leftists and even ‘respectable’ British Parliamentarians are not concerned with all this. They are concerned with the ‘most inhuman caste system’ of India.”
– They are condemned all over the world. Stop being disillusioned
“Another important agenda is to shame Brahmins, to make them feel guilty about their forefathers and to make them reluctant to follow their original Dharma of learning and teaching the Vedas. ”
– If being a Brahmin is guna based how can anyone be ashamed of a guna? See the paradox here??When it is convinient you take the claim that casets are varna based, when victim, they are your forefathers? Get it ?
“Unfortunately, a lot of Vedic texts are already lost. The former Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram, Sri Chandrashekarendra Saraswati, says in his book “The Vedas” that out of 1180 Shakas, into which Veda Vyasa divided the 4 Vedas some 5000 years ago, only eigth are still in use. ”
-Oh ya. Brahmins started touching normal people and that had an effect on their memory. The reason they stopped teaching and studying vedas was that it no more ws profitable in modern industrial world. They took all important government position whether it was during Maratha rule, or islamic rule or british or modern india. They have taken the role kshatriya and not of Brahmins.
“It is about time to stop this Brahmin bashing and stop portraying the Indian caste system as the worst that has ever befallen humanity. It sounds so fake, especially, when ISIS gets neutral treatment by just mentioning facts, like, “ISIL burns 19 Yazidi women to death in iron cages because they refused to have sex with fighters” without any emotional colour or condemnation.”
– Good to see you breathe Brahmins and ISIS in a single line and making there crimes comparable.
….They had dignity, but were very thin. When Prasad (sacred food) was distributed, they were in the queue before me. Later I saw that they joined the queue again…. It was in all likelihood due to poverty.”
-Poverty is there everywhere. You mention dignity here. Why? Because, with two poor people , one poor being Brahmin has dignity and the other being a shudra doesn’t. That is what caste system does. It gives unequal platform for people with equal economic status. That is what people are against. first make two poor equal then talk about society as a whole.
My one of replies is awaiting moderation. Hope you would be fair in posting it.
Basically the article is saying, Hey I am doing a crime but look there, they are also doing it .
Just imagine a person beating his wife.When you go and stop him, he would be like -“why aren’t you blaming Nazis for killing Jews, what about Islamic conquest, what about Christian Missionaries,I just beat my wife and thts a big deal for you. If you can speak about other injustice you dont have right to stop me from beating my wife.”
That is what this article is saying in a TLDR way
I am not always online… See your comments now only. But why do you copy almost the whole article in your second comment to make your points?
Wanted to do a point by point rebuttal
‘@Sarcasm
You are correct to point out that the Brahmins took undue advantage of their privilege, didn’t follow the Vedas properly, and unjustly discriminated against others. However, they didn’t simply do bad things. Roses bloom on bushes full of thorns. All the knowledge available in Hinduism was gathered almost entirely by Brahmins. The details of how to practice the religion were also put together by Brahmins. The social-reformer that you mentioned also was a Brahmin (per your own account). All the material that is lost, was also originally put together by Brahmins.
You pointed out that in Mahabharat, Bhisma was punished for keeping his silence at injustice. By pointing this out, you imply that Mahabharat teaches not to stay silent in the face of injustice. Well, who do you think wrote the Mahabharat? Some Brahmin(s) of course.
You mentioned that Brahmins held jobs (for money) with Muslim and British rulers, and you are correct. But a study of Hindu history shows that brahmins weren’t simply busy minting money working for colonizers. Many major Hindu denominations were either started during this period, or were maintained throughout this period. The denominations were started by scholars like Adi Shankar, Vallabhacharya, Ramakrishna, and many more, including your own Basvanna, and were maintained by acharyas within these denominations. (These traditions were maintained throughout the Islamic and European colonization period.) All these founders and maintainers were Brahmins. Keep in mind that all this was happening in the face of continuous assault on the temples. Such assaults can easily discourage people and make them give up and many brahmins actually did give up, but plenty of them did not and continued their traditions (including the tradition of imparting knowledge to others). It is good to speak out against the injustices of Brahmins, but it is only proper to also recognize their contributions.
IMO the Hindu caste-system is a good system very beneficial to society. Unfortunately it has had one major flaw. It was too rigid. A person born into lower caste could not, in practice, gain a higher caste even if he possessed all the gunas. This rigidity can still be removed, but discarding the entire caste system is like throwing the baby away with the bath water.
Lastly, there actually is a Brahmin bashing/shaming campaign going on, and it has been going on for over a century. The Communists, Leftists, and some religions hate Hinduism, want it destroyed, and are aware that the quickest and most effective way to destroy Hinduism is to destroy the Brahmins. Having watched their activities for over ten years, and having seen their propaganda skills, I have no doubt that they actually can cause great damage to Hinduism unless Hindus wake up and repel such attacks.
IMO now is a great time for Brahmins to correct past mistakes and reclaim their lost glory, by not only fighting back against Brahminphobia and Hinduphobia, but also by actually spreading the knowledge of Dharma to every nook and corner of the world. It is not an easy task, would take lots of dedicated work, and there would be no monetary compensation, but it can be done. All that is needed is a strong will on the part of Brahmins. Where there is a will, there is a way (The guy who taught that was also a Brahmin 😉 )
‘@accidental
“All these founders and maintainers were Brahmins.”- That is the problem. They were privileged and carried on with privileges. These privileges were dependant on the accident of birth. No one tested any merit or anything. So where is the good old saying that, one is brahmin only with his gunas and worth and not birth? Is the present day shankaracharya mathas head is head due to birth or in his childhood he competed with other kids from different communities and wonf?. He followed brahminishm because he was born in that family. They started all mathas and denomination to propagate there own propaganda of superiority.They did not include any other Hindus to even be part of these mathas. They followed discrimination. Can you show one non-brahmin in past many years who was head of any of the four mathas started by adi shankaracharya?? How come everyone was a Brahmin( by birth). SO caste is birth based. You cannot accept anyone to give you a special status by something you had nothing to do with.
“IMO the Hindu caste-system is a good system very beneficial to society. “-
I will sincerely pray to god that you would be born in a Shudra family in next life and see if you would have a similar view. How about at least you marry one in this life ? Literally, every problem in India is due to the caste system and you think its beneficial to society. Beneficial to Brahmins not to society. Now don’t bring up the argument that it has been applied wrongly. Its a failed system and inhuman at that. There is no way to justify it.You suggest that rigidity should be removed. How about you start in Brahmins first. Remove all people in Brahmins caste who don’t deserve to be brahmins. Also, is there a test, to measure the worth of a person, Like a test that you write and it will give you result of the guna composition, whether one should be a brahmin or sudra or vyasya? The caste system is load of BS that is it. It takes the right away from a person to realize his potential by putting him into a bracket. If you cannot understand that then it is hard to explain anything.
Stop calling out external forces. Most people in left parties who are in influential positions are from Brahmin community. Sitaram yechury is a brahmin, Somnatha Chatterjee was a Brahmin and many more. They are being bashed because in any organization whether private or govt they try to bring their own people in. In no other country does a population of a community that is 5% holds the majority of top positions in government and plays the victim card. This was the similar condition in Sri lanka where the minority Tamil population held the most power and look what happened there. You should keep in mind that the rest of the population, in spite of being discriminated for thousands of years, haven’t really attacked brahmins in any physical way. They have been criticised in a civil manner. And what do brahmins do? They cling on to Manu Smriti the most inhuman treatise ever written as the gospel truth. None of the mathas you mentioned ever wrote against manu smriti. Now don’t bring the argument they have been misinterpreted. If that is the case, what was Brahmin community doing for 1000s years and teaching misinterpretations
Also, Basvanna was born into a Brahmin family but made sure that he didn’t die as one, He stood against the very tenants of Brahminism, which you tend to support.
If by spreading Dharma, you mean spread caste system, which would bring back the Brahmin dominance which you term as past glory , then you are supporting a cause that is not anything less than spreading inhumanity- adharma.
‘@accidental
“All these founders and maintainers were Brahmins.”- That is the problem. They were privileged and carried on with privileges. These privileges were dependant on the accident of birth. No one tested any merit or anything. So where is the good old saying that, one is brahmin only with his gunas and worth and not birth? Is the present day shankaracharya mathas head is head due to birth or in his childhood he competed with other kids from different communities and wonf?. He followed brahminishm because he was born in that family. They started all mathas and denomination to propagate there own propaganda of superiority.They did not include any other Hindus to even be part of these mathas. They followed discrimination. Can you show one non-brahmin in past many years who was head of any of the four mathas started by adi shankaracharya?? How come everyone was a Brahmin( by birth). SO caste is birth based. You cannot accept anyone to give you a special status by something you had nothing to do with.
“IMO the Hindu caste-system is a good system very beneficial to society. “-
I will sincerely pray to god that you would be born in a Shudra family in next life and see if you would have a similar view. How about at least you marry one in this life ? Literally, every problem in India is due to the caste system and you think its beneficial to society. Beneficial to Brahmins not to society. Now don’t bring up the argument that it has been applied wrongly. Its a failed system and inhuman at that. There is no way to justify it.You suggest that rigidity should be removed. How about you start in Brahmins first. Remove all people in Brahmins caste who don’t deserve to be brahmins. Also, is there a test, to measure the worth of a person, Like a test that you write and it will give you result of the guna composition, whether one should be a brahmin or sudra or vyasya? The caste system is load of BS that is it. It takes the right away from a person to realize his potential by putting him into a bracket. If you cannot understand that then it is hard to explain anything.
Stop calling out external forces. Most people in left parties who are in influential positions are from Brahmin community. Sitaram yechury is a brahmin, Somnatha Chatterjee was a Brahmin and many more. They are being bashed because in any organization whether private or govt they try to bring their own people in. In no other country does a population of a community that is 5% holds the majority of top positions in government and plays the victim card. This was the similar condition in Sri lanka where the minority Tamil population held the most power and look what happened there. You should keep in mind that the rest of the population, in spite of being discriminated for thousands of years, haven’t really attacked brahmins in any physical way. They have been criticised in a civil manner. And what do brahmins do? They cling on to Manu Smriti the most inhuman treatise ever written as the gospel truth. None of the mathas you mentioned ever wrote against manu smriti. Now don’t bring the argument they have been misinterpreted. If that is the case, what was Brahmin community doing for 1000s years and teaching misinterpretations
Also, Basvanna was born into a Brahmin family but made sure that he didn’t die as one, He stood against the very tenants of Brahminism, which you tend to support.
If by spreading Dharma, you mean spread caste system, which would bring back the Brahmin dominance which you term as past glory , then you are supporting a cause that is not anything less than spreading inhumanity- adharma.
WHich part of Hindusim says that deride and disrespect others. You are the perfect example that people use religion for identitynot for spiritual upliftment. You, instead of correcting the evils of the caste system in Hindu society are just spreading hatred. Lets agree that islam is an imperfect religion, so does it mean you shouldn’t correct yourself.
If that is your answer to a Muslim, what would you answer to an atheist?
So a 7-8 year old kid is a scholar when thread ceremony is performed? Did you tell him that only Brahmins were “allowed” to be scholars, so in techinicality they competed with a very few- that is just their community. to be scholars. They prevented others right for education and became scholars.
In any country scholars are respected after they achieve somethings, your example of brahmins special treatment is from birth, where a kid never achieved anything but was given a privilege.
By the way, only stupid people think that a 7-8-year-old kid is a scholar once he puts a thread which says so.
Lets umagine, you wipe out all abrahmic religions, So no one in the world is a christian or muslim, and now you want them to make hindus. SO my question is, will that person be a Brahmin, a vysasya or sudrs or ksatriya?
Can he marry anyone from Hindu community or he should only marry among his caste?
The author is indicating a selective propaganda by political class, writers, academics and media to highlight the atrocities by the upper caste but not the far greater atrocities committed by the Muslims and the British. And they are the people who never tried to arrest this but on the contrary fuelled up the segregation and used the same to divide the society and rule over us. These people, including the foreign media and the post independence political class continue to keep this issue alive to remain in or retain power. Although the present day society atrocities are rare and even a single incident doesn’t go unhighlighted.
‘@Sarcasm
Lots of people in the world are born, by accident, in privilege of one kind or another. The fact that someone is born in privilege is NOT an issue. The issue is what they do with that privilege? Do they abuse it or otherwise take undue advantage of it? Or do they put their privilege to good use and do something to benefit everyone? What happens in real life is that some people abuse their privilege, some don’t care and let their privilege go waste, and some put it to good use. The same has been the case with Brahmins.
As for the mathas and other organizations of power and influence, the fact is that over time they become corrupt. This happens all over the world. Jawahalal Nehru’s daughter becomes PM, then her son becomes PM, then Rajiv’s wife becomes chairman of Congress Party, then Sonia’s son becomes President of INC. Of course this also happens with non-Congress politicians.
This happens everywhere where there is power and influence. This happens because attachment to one’s siblings overwhelms all considerations of fairness and merit, and because in organizations of power and influence, the politician types sneak in and use the power for personal benefit.
This is a fact of life we can’t escape. Where are you going to escape to, Sarcasm? Are you going to escape to Sikhism, a religion that disses the Caste system? Guess what? The tenth Guru of Sikhs, Gobind Singh, was the son of the ninth Guru Teg Bahadur, who was the son of the sixth Guru Hargobind, who was the son of the fifth Guru Arjan Dev, who was the son of fourth Guru Ram Das, who was the son-in-law of third Guru Amar Das. Notice the privilege there? The Sikhs would say that most Gurus actually possessed the quality of being leaders, but I say that was pure luck.
Or are you going to flee to some Communist country? There are no lucky communist countries. The dictators in Communist USSR had immensely more wealth than the general population. The current dictator of North Korea, Kim Jong-un had the privilege to be the son of previous dictator Kim Jong-il. Do you see how even in communist countries there are people who have privilege and others who don’t?
Or are you going to flee to the US? Guess what? The son of George H W Bush (41st President of the US) became 43rd POTUS. Bill Clinton’s wife almost became President and I bet my username that their daughter, Chelsea Clinton will run for POTUS at least once in her life.
Or are you going to flee to Hollywood or Bollywood? We all know that the sons and daughters of famous personalities themselves become movie personalities. Their only qualification usually is that they are born in privilege.
Privilege is a fact of life. The Leftists (Communists) cannot accept this, resent it, and cause damage by spreading hatred and by destroying social institutions (both from inside and outside). They can destroy everything but that would still not change the fact that lots of people are born with privilege of one kind or another! There will be people of privilege in whatever new system they come up with, e.g, the Communist system.
But please don’t think that I am dissing your point. The matha leaders and other Brahmins are not supposed to be like politicians or like bollywood merchants. They are supposed to uphold principles. If they say “high caste is varna based” then they should actually practice that. So far they haven’t but it is not too late; they can do so now. This is why I say that Brahmins have the opportunity to reclaim lost glory. The process will be slow, but it will produce good results. Also, doing so is Dharma! If this means Brahmins will end up dominating society then so be it, because it would mean that Dharma would be dominating society.
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“Stop calling out external forces. Most people in left parties who are in influential positions are from Brahmin community. Sitaram yechury is a brahmin, Somnatha Chatterjee was a Brahmin and many more.”
A Leftist is NOT a Brahmin, it doesn’t matter if s/he came from the “brahmin community”. The leftist mentality is simply not compatible with the teachings of Hindusim. If some Brahmins are becoming Leftists, then I am glad that you are dissing those Brahmins. Please keep up the good work 🙂
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“.You suggest that rigidity should be removed. How about you start in Brahmins first. Remove all people in Brahmins caste who don’t deserve to be brahmins. Also, is there a test, to measure the worth of a person,”
The “Brahmin caste” is simply a tribe. In any tribe there are people who possess the qualities of a brahmin varna, or Kshatriya varna, or merchant or Shudra varna. People of all four varnas are present among the “Brahmin caste”. It is the job of other other members of the caste to recognize what varna a certain other person belongs to. There is no written test to measure this. People have to use their own inner ‘vivek’ to sense what varna another person belongs to. (‘Vivek’ is when one employs his/her God-given brain to see and sense something.)
Of course people of all varnas are present among the Kshatriya tribe, the Vaishya tribe, and the Shudra tribe, respectively. It is the job of other members of those tribes to recognize who posseses what varna. It is for their own good. Doing so is Dharma.
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“I will sincerely pray to god that you would be born in a Shudra family in next life and see if you would have a similar view. How about at least you marry one in this life?”
How surreal? I myself pray the same to God every single day. Although I am not a Brahmin, I am not a Shudra either. And so there is this voice inside me who tells me that I need to do my dharma, and that I must do whatever I can do and however much I can do. I just spent two hours writing this post, but If I were a Shudra, I would be watching the cricket match. Except whenever I decide to turn the TV on, the voice inside me morphs into Amrish Puri’s voice “NO CRICKET FOR YOU, YOU MUST DO YOUR DHARMA!” And when the meek me responds, “but it’s not like I am a brahmin or something”, Amrish Puri says, “NO BUTS AND NO IF’S, YOU MUST DO YOUR DHARMA.” And who can dare disobey Amrish Puri?
Also, I actually was married to a Shudra (although on paper she was from a very high caste). All she did was watch the stupidest comedy on TV and chatted with friends on the phone all day. Anytime I asked her to work with me to help spread Hindu teachings for the good of people, she would say “maine koi theka le rakha hai logon ki bhalai karne ka? mere ko apne bade kaam hain.” For some reason we got divorced a few years after marriage.
I know that my marriage would have been intact if I were a Shudra, and that is why I am so glad that you too pray for me to be a Shudra in my next life. My mother taught me “one and one is eleven”, and so I know that your prayer and my prayer together will have eleven times the power! In my next life when I am born a Shudra, all I have to do is play video games, watch cricket and comedy shows on TV, and tell my wife “Priya, there are all these stupid women on TV, but there is no one as pretty as you are.” How romantic would that be? It would be bliss. And there would be no Amrish Puri around!
Sarcasm, you say “The caste system is load of BS that is it. It takes the right away from a person to realize his potential by putting him into a bracket. ”
Please tell me, what is it that YOU wanted to do in order to realize your full potential, that you could NOT do because of the caste system putting you in some bracket?
Man, your writings are truly rational in nature. Great intellect accompanies true wisdom.
Castes contain the idea of varna/ category (i.e. any one among the 4 categories of scholars/ brahmins, administrators/ xatriyas, farmers & traders/ vaishyas or artisans/ shudras – a religious concept) and jati/ community/ tribe ( a non religious concept). E.g. a community of fishermen may be given the status of artisans. A jati in India is a micro nation complete with a distinct identity (way of life and culture). But there is a snag – the community has no international borders to protect its culture and identity in a plural society. There are hardly any parallels of this kind of society with dimensions as large as that found in India. With no borders to protect the identity, jaties take the only way available to keep it intact, by observing strict rules debarring marriage, eating etc with others. The notion of pollution gave birth to untouchability of those who engaged themselves in polluting professions. It is same everywhere. Further, it is not easy for the “touchables” also. E.g. Scholars are not allowed to take money for teaching and hence stay poor where the untouchable is allowed to make money or an scholar is to receive many times more punishment than an untouchable for committing a similar crime. However, Indian society has allowed ancient communities to survive by not imposing any concept of universal religion or culture on them by allowing the caste system to function. They have not survived in other societies. Even the forest dwellers were allowed to live as they liked. Of course, there have been abuses of this system. But it is not because of any religious concept- it is a common human failure – the mighty oppressing the weak. The failure happened during the past few centuries when India was under foreign rule and everything was not in the hands of the Indians. However, Indian society has worked on this problem for centuries and has almost obliterated the abuses of caste system on their own – in spite of dismal conditions – constant belittling of their culture by outsiders.
But, the outsiders want the dismantling of caste system as it is a big obstacle in converting Indians. But the Indian doesnt want to throw the baby with the bathwater. They as well as the outsiders know that it is this system which is protecting them even in these modern times from being converted to an “non Indic universal religion” and lose their identity i.e die. Even the untouchable prefers to remain in his caste than convert. He just wants the abuse to go away. They can see that caste survives even after conversion to those religions. Which is proof that it is not a religious matter but a social one although the Indic religion gets abused for it by those who have worse records than practicing untouchability.
I would like to say “Thank you” for writing and giving some light on this topic. Thanks buddy.
I am always surprised to read your posts. They are connecting me to this present world where I strongly feel that all these people who are educated in even Western Education system must take a lesson on #unlearning to live a balanced life in this era.
I quote what you wrote, “I learnt this already in primary school, but knew nothing at that time about the concentration camps of Nazi Germany only a few years earlier or about the atrocities of slavery or colonialism. Yet the Indian caste system with Brahmins as villains was part of the curriculum in Bavarian schools in the early 1960s, and it still is today”
You ask very relevant question, why these things are taught to Western children & future intellectuals? We all should reply and find solutions. India must take initiatives and lead for a better education system. But what to do for those who have already read these in schools and discriminate Hindus on the basis of those education? Present day Hindus are modern, educated & skilled but face brutalities. This world needs them for making a better world.
We must find answers. My idea and books on #unlearning can give some solutions. I wish people read them sincerely and make their life worth.
Biased article in what sense?
Before you say, biased, please try to remember what did you study in school & colleges. Unfortunately most educated Indians are not able to connect what they studied, what they perceive or what they do. They are very contented to get a job, living & enjoyment of life. But if you seriously try to connect what you think has direct relation with what you have studied or what you know or what you become firm of. Accept new knowledge to beat old obsolete & dangerous preaching.
Biased article….lot of thing already changed…..old fashioned parties and leaders, duplicate communists, and the people who are getting money from Arab counties and terroristan(pakistan) are throwing baseless things about India. It’s there propaganda to Deteriorate the image of India
Fyi.. Periyar is a brahamin, in Kerala non of the temples barred any Hindus… Yes it is barred those who are not Hindus… In Kerala low caste converted Christian killed because he loved an high caste Christian girl… Why in Christianity it happened?
The system was good but it was abused by people in power like rajputs, brahmins and Vaishyas,once they caught then brahmins become scapegoat alone because they did not have skills to fight like rajputs and money like Vaishyas.
I just have one point that brahmins did wrong when they had power then others also doing same things to them because now they have power. How can we justify that by doing wrong to one make it right for other.by this pace I suppose after few decades we need to give reservation to brahmins.
Thank you
if you see the cast by birth then our story says that the mother of kshatriyas is Aditi(second to none) ,mother of brahmin is diti(second)..nvso is the third n fourth…as a rule the eldest were given task of saving,ruling , looking after n guiding the rest; second were given the task of teaching n experimenting science…third for business from oil,beetalto gold n silver for the better economy…n fourth we’re given task of looking after the house n city…this kept on going for generations as per the merit of children…
Untouchability was created by brahmin though Hindu God Ram didn’t let this in society for ten thousand years…all our sants like Buddh,Mahaveer Jain,guru nank…forced us to think not of discrimination but brahmin never accepted it…as this was the thing which they felt a need to keep them at top although they were second n after kshatriyas…
“Untouchability was created by brahmin though Hindu God Ram….”
Really? The same Shri Ram who ate the fruit offered by Shabri (after she took a bite from it to make sure it was sweet)? Show evidence please.
The current hatred is very much justified. This statement doesn’t make the caste system of Brahmin hold on Hinduism in the name of god, right!
The writer says “My point is: what Brahmins did by segregating from others or even snubbing others is negligible in comparison what Christian colonialists and Muslim invaders did.”
Caste system is evil and must perish immediately for Hinduism to survive in a new and equitable way!
Thank you Maria for writing this. It feels good to see someone understand.
Maria
It is shameful that you attempt to justify caste system. Unlike you imagined, caste system is hereditary and it is a lifelong prison which drive lower Castes even to voluntarily convert to much lower liefilled Christianity or Islam. The untoiling Brahmins are loathed even today because they had instituted the horror of caste and were its custodians and enforcers. Worst example was Mahatma Gandhi who inspite of being beaten & kicked out a Railway Compartment in South Africa due to his color & caste could not accept to eradicate Caste in India when he had the best opportunity. He was even prompted to do so by Sri Narayana Guru in 1924.
You would have done well to recognise the horror of being born low for life and to voice your concern to outlaw caste system.
Even a lowest or highest caste person knows that all human beings are capable to achieve anything (eg Indian President & Prime Minister today) provided they are not deprived of their opportunity.
India was subjugated and colonized basically because the caste system excluded the low Castes even from fighting for their nation. There was no other reason in any logic.
Caste system was and is the Enemy of Hinduism and India. Without it, the whole world would have embrazed Hinduism because Hindu teachings except caste, are meant for whole humanity / Manava!
You are biased to a very large extend ……Either you don’t know history or trying to be ignorant….Please leave history and join the rightist group
In my 20 years of growing up in India, I don’t recall anyone ever asking me what caste I was nor did I ever care to know what caste others were. We were taught in schools that caste system was bad and this teaching made sense. It also made sense that people should get jobs based on merit. So there really was no reason to be interested in ours or others’ castes. I did see (and experienced) plenty of discrimination based on economic class though. If you didn’t have money, people treated you like the lowest caste. They wouldn’t say it with their mouths but would let you know with their behaviour and attitude. Mostly they completely ignored you as if you didn’t even exist.
But I know I was not treated differently than other people. Ever since India’s independence, the trend among urban Indians had been of being more and more indifferent towards the caste-system.
Enter the Reservation system.
The reservation system guaranteed jobs and other benefits to you if you belonged to certain [lower] castes. Now all of a sudden people had an incentive to know what castes they were. If you were of the lower caste, you could benefit from knowing that you were. And if you were not lower caste and you wanted to oppose the allocation of unfairly high percentage of jobs/benefits to lower castes, the first thing you needed to know was what caste you yourself were.
During my late high school years, a prime minister, V P Singh, implemented a job-quota plan that upper castes thought was extremely unfair. Immediately there were “protests”. Thankfully in my city the ‘protests’ were limited to sloganeering and destroying/burning govt property, and no one was badly injured or killed. I had never seen this type of protests in my city so I was curious and went to see friends and ended up in the back of a lorry with many teenaged boys, girls, and even kids. The lorry went towards city center and we shouted “VP kutta hai hai”. Halfway through the ride, it turned out that one of the classmate friend who was zealously shouting along with us, was actually from the lower caste. We all laughed at him since he shouldn’t have been protesting the quota system that was actually benefiting his caste. He was embarrassed and left.
But my point is this: Up until that protest, neither this friend nor most of us knew that he was from lower caste (with the exception of the person who pointed it out) even though he was attending school with us for years. It was only because of the reservation politics that we became aware of it. My attitude towards him did not change but now I was aware that he was from a lower caste. I couldn’t discriminate against him however, because I didn’t know for another couple of years what caste I myself supposedly belonged to
It should be apparent that the caste based quota system is the only thing keeping caste-system alive in present day urban India. Previously it was only the lower castes but over the last few decades even the upper castes have demanded reservations for being “economically backward castes”.
Despite this, none of the critics of caste-system ever talk about the contribution of reservation system in keeping the caste system alive, and instead blame Hinduism. It should be obvious that their real aim is to vilify Hinduism and destroy it. These evil forces don’t care about the lower caste people. The dalits are simply pawns that they USE for their Hindu-bashing and other political goals. They KEEP people from benefiting from the knowledge of Dharma by creating animosity towards Dharma itself.
The anti-Hindu forces hate Hinduism MORE than they love lower caste people.
Unfortunately, there are well meaning people like Rajendran Kolassery (and many others) who let themselves be USED by the evil plots of Hinduism bashers and only end up amplifying their anti-Hindu hate.
We need to be on the lookout for such people. If it is someone who vilifies Hinduism in the name of caste system but never says anything about the contribution of quota system in keeping caste-system alive, we should know right there that the person/group is an anti-Hinduism activist. Their rhetoric needs to be opposed and their agendas need to be exposed.
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Brahmin bashing is mainly due to Christian missionaries, who were finding it difficult to harvest the souls. They decided that as long as respect for Brahmins was there in the society, it would be difficult to convert. So they along with British Govt. created this divide among Indians and started the campaign that Brahmins were responsible for all their troubles. Post Independence, the left leaning Congress Govt continued the divide-and-rule of the British to remain in power. They continued the education system of the British with emphasis on shaming Hindus and blaming Brahmins for all the ills of the society, which were basically came because of Islamic invasion.
Indian caste system was basically horizontal based on the character and profession of the person. It was fluid system wherein people could just transform from one prefession to another. Endogamy was the norm but exogamy was not uncommon. It became rigid after Islamic invasion and exogamy became rare mainly to protect themselves. It was sealed after 1871 census by the British, which categorised people into the castes by births and the fluidity of the system was not recognized.
Now the Congress and the leftists don’t want to change this and in fact are creating further fissures in the society by dividing each caste into different religions for their own political benefits. So Congress and Leftists are the cancer of this society.
An observer and a victim differs. Brahmins memorized Vedas only for perpetuating their hegemony over others. They denied Vedas to others, tied transcendental wisdom of sages below devatas and brahmins through distortions n interpolations. I quote the words of a Hindu sanyasi who later converted into Christianity because of the persecution he suffered.
What’s the crime of brahmin ancestors? They ‘created an exclusive ‘caste’ and condemned non-brahmins to perpetual subordination and disunion, monopolised religion and learning, suppressed intellectual and moral growth of non-brahmins, converted religion into a means of exploitation.
Caused the intellectual and moral starvation of the Hindu masses, emasculation of the Hindu nation forced to live and die in an atmosphere of inferiority and disunion, submergence of all true religion in a flood of ceremonialism…’
Only Brahmins can correct this situation. They have the intelligence and ability. Hinduism should undergo fundamental reformation to meet the challenges of a new age. https://samvitjyoti.blogspot.com/2018/07/why-hinduism-has-to-evolve.html …
Any body who practice meditation can feel why it was told that not to touch or take water from the person who don’t follow four sauch or eat nonveg. Even if a person form lower class who takes Sanyas will not prefer to be touched by even Brahmin who is not maintain prohibition in eating drinking as his concentration in meditation, peace of mind and arousal of sexual desire happens. Unfortunately this was linked with cast system. I myself being Brahmin do feel that these are only necessary for those who want to attend moksha.
Really very good detailed artical
Well said Maria…
Of course the West have that agenda & more…but the real horror is that we are doing nothing – negligible enough to be called nothing anyway – to correct what you rightly called unfortunate – the Un-Vedic hereditary system of Varnas!
What the West believes is only amplified when our own literate youth agree that this evil actually does exist in our society…
At the bottom of the whole felony is the irony that in spite of having millions of Brahmins even today they do not study the Vedas anymore (since 500 years they do not) & they stopped other Varnas from reading the Vedas including Kshatriyas & Vaishnavas; & banned all women from even reciting the mantras!
The horror!
Even today, give all power to Brahmins & they will ban you from even touching the Rig Veda & probably have you deported…when they themselves do not read it correctly i.e. with meanings…they only mug up a few – very few – mantras which they use for earning at marriages & other rituals etc.
But you & I should know better Maria, that these Brahmins of the rituals are not mirror images of our Brahmins of yore…those were scientific inventors/discoverers of mathematics & astronomy & aeroplanes & non-rusting stainless steel for example
Today’s Brahmins are our scientists & other teachers of institutes where R&D skills are imparted (research is important)…
Now regarding meta-physics Brahmins who teach the Ashtadhyayi, Upanishads & Sankhya etc Darshans are the true Brahmins…it’s important to realize this Maria…this is the value judgment that needs to be made – find the Brahmins – institutes/gurukuls that teach these – and leave all Puranas & other non-Vedic storybooks to the children…
We can change the West mindset in one generation by improving the quality of our Brahmins…
But awakening from our own selfish & lazy unresearching Un-Vedic slumber that is the monumental challenge facing us since millennia…1000 years & counting!
Brother, who doesn’t want to attain Moksha? And if not then what do they want?
And in spite of whatever they want, what in your opinion will they get finally?
Now the moot question – does it matter to God what one wants other than what one does in life? Will He not judge our achievements? Which achievements? Physical? Material? Mental? Or spiritual? Or all of them? Are we not aware that judgment in this life & in reincarnation awaits us?
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Throughout history Brahmins constituted a meagre 5% of Indian population. It’s impossible for them to oppress the rest 95% of Indian population. On the other hand they were oppressed by criminals and the state power which forced them to live in forests educating pupils. They survived on begging of alms. Till today, no Brahmin holds a sizable land holding. They remained detached from state craft. Ambedkarites and Periyarites had stolen jobs from them and now they are left in the lurch. In Indian peninsula, there is no Brahmin PM,President and only one CM.
My humble pranams to Madam Maria With. I am astonished to see your profound understanding of this great country, its age-old systems and the present situation which is threatening the existence of this great civilisation. Hope your article serves as an eye opener for my fellow citizens.
I have a friend whose father was shoe cobbler, but we are friends since last over 25 yrs. We stayed in same room while studying, ate food in same plate ( sometimes ).
Never knew things are so bad as you talk here.
I have so many friends who ( as per modern secular govt’s Constitution ) come under SC/ST/OBC. We played games , and still friends since over 30 yrs
Actually Bashing is just a TOOL to confuse that TARGET and put their TARGET in Defensive Mode.
Portuguese had to Suffer Failure in their Target of COnverting Hindus into Christianity despite severe Inquisition Terrorism Activities, and they always felt that it were Brahmins because of whom they FAILED to convert so called Low Caste Hindus
Anyone can blame anything on Brahmins but this man made institution of UNTOUCHABLES is
an ancient one and must have evolved over centuries to this level ; I am a Brahmin and well
travelled in India itself and in spite of being 87 years of age, I am living in Canada for the last
54 years and visit India quite often. Brahmins have been suppressed by the ruling class, especially
in Tamil Nadu by the Dravidians. The Brahmins will simply go out and make money to live
comfortably, like any others. The so-called UNTOUCHABLES/SCHEDULED CASTES etc. are
coming up slowly. What has been there for thousands of years cannot be UNDONE in a short time.
In the meantime, you can keep bashing the Brahmins !!!
Srinivasan, Toronto.
Maria is spot on.. one way to hide our sins is to magnify whatever you can find wrong on the other side. She is right why the caste system has been hyped out of proportion by vested interests of proselytizing religions. Kudos to Maria !
Chatur varna the third one is abdomen not thigh. Small correction Madame.
‘@Sulochana, You were also created by Brahmins through Ram, so that you can write your BS over here, without having a drop of understanding of the subject
Hello Ma’m, I feel bad and good at the same time on reading your wonderful article.
Bad, that Indians fighting against Indians on caste issue, where they are not educated about the Vedas how and for what they categorized. They need to know that Hinduism or dharma never discrimates any, it’s purely based on temperament.
Good, because I see people who were not part of this civilization have studied it and have given respect to it.
I am not against religions, I am of opinion that “your God is good, so is mine. But please don’t degrade our God’s.’
Hope people get educated about it and live peacefully.
I thank you for this good article.
Thank you. Yes, I read both versions, was not sure which one is the correct one from Veda.
U r very wrong Brahmins still study vedas in south india right from the age of 4. It is also taught to non brahmins.
‘@Gaurav Mehra
You Commented : “……….At the bottom of the whole felony is the irony that in spite of having millions of Brahmins even today they do not study the Vedas anymore (since 500 years they do not) & they stopped other Varnas from reading the Vedas including Kshatriyas & Vaishnavas; & banned all women from even reciting the mantras!
The horror!
Even today, give all power to Brahmins & they will ban you from even touching the Rig Veda & probably have you deported…when they themselves do not read it correctly i.e. with meanings…they only mug up a few – very few – mantras which they use for earning at marriages & other rituals etc……”
My Reply :
1.Can you pls mention that basis of analysis for your report stating that Brahmins don’t Study Ved anymore.
2. You blame that Brahmins Ban You from even touching the Rig Ved………….. Now Rig Ved is available online. You don’t need permission of anyone to open & read Rig Ved. ……..
…….and check yourself how many DECADES do you need to be Expert Enough to Reply Questions at this Plateform?
‘@V. K. Srinivasan
You Commented : “……. In the meantime, you can keep bashing the Brahmins !!!
Srinivasan, Toronto…..”
My Reply : Can you pls tell which part of my comment made you think that I am Bashing Brahmins?
Can you quote reference for what your have blamed upon Brahmins?
So much grateful to you for supporting sanatan dharma. You are a person who knows the actual facts,the ground realities. I respect you for inspite of being a westerner you know the pulse of ancient Indian society and you still guide people like me..
Namaste,
Thanks for your active efforts for the upliftment of Hinduism.
You Commented : the word Hindu ………”….these is a names are thrust upon us by the invaders like Europeans and Muslims……”
My Reply to you : Even your current “UNDERSTANDING” is IMPOSED UPON you under Certain Propaganda to FOOL HINDUS.
You will find millions of Websites which will tell that Persians used to Pronounce “H” in place of “S” in “SINDHU”, , hence they used to call HINDU to indicate for those who lived across SINDHU
……
but its not TRUE.
You can check whether they called “ISLAM” as “IHLAM”? , if they had problem pronouncing “S”
‘@ Gaurav Mehra
You Commented :……” – to correct what you rightly called unfortunate – the Un-Vedic hereditary system of Varnas!.”
My Reply : Pls note that Varn System is Completely Vedic, and the whole World is Using it even today, either Knowingly or Unknowlingly
‘@Adit
MODERN CASTE SYSTEM BRITISH CREATION : A TOOL TO DIVIDE & RULE & CONVERT : https://www.myindiamyglory.com/2018/10/28/modern-caste-system-is-british-creation-a-tool-to-divide-rule-and-convert/?
Good article. Wonderful detailing with true insight. Muslim invasion in India and subsequent British rule had nasty outcome. The great Hindu religion had been undermined and misinterpreted to serve the purpose of Islamists, Evangelists and Communists.
Thank you for supporting sanatan dharma.So much grateful to you for your kind words.
Thanks for the perfect picture of the CHATURVARNA system of Bhartiya society. Very few will try to understand this. Unfortunately in today’s world, out of these four DHARMA ARTHA KAMA MOKSHA,the Dharma and Moksha are completely forgotten and undue importance is given to ARTHA and Kama. Sad though.
Happy to note there are people understanding difficulties of Brahmins facing in present day Society in India.
Education system has made every Brahmin to feel guilty of what is alleged to have been done by his forefathers.
At the time of naming my children, a daughter and a son gave a go by to the sername word ‘Bhat’. But when both reached 15 years question Ed me why username was not included. Now I feel sorry for what I did.
Unjustified hatred of brahmins is running the political show of Tamil Nadu for the last 50 years. Criminal elements of lower caste Rose to power and destroyed the Noble values Tamils had from time immemorial. Now the next level of damage has begun. Anti Hinduism – stress is on Tamills have nothing to do with North Indian Aryan Gods. Millions eagerly take this view.
MODERN CASTE SYSTEM BRITISH CREATION : A TOOL TO DIVIDE & RULE & CONVERT : https://www.myindiamyglory.com/2018/10/28/modern-caste-system-is-british-creation-a-tool-to-divide-rule-and-convert/?
“Role Of BEIBS British Educated Indian Barristers In Todays India : BEIBs :
British Educated Indian Barristers are solely responsible for chaos of modern India. Though Most of them acted as nationalists, but few were India and Hindu hating colonized bigots, who have become #Bhasmasurbecause of electoral politics.
They were expert of British created legal system, which was created after revolt and freedom struggle of 1857.What have not been focused yet, as a cause of revolt is – Economic destruction and destruction of manufacturers and manufacturing of India. It needs to be researched by scholars. We simply can’t believe on British and monkey communist historians.
Secondly laws were made to stop happening of second 1857. ‘#Will_Durant wrote -“” By 1858 crimes of the company so smelled to heaven that the British Government took over the captured and plundered territories as a colony of the crown. England paid the company handsomely, and added the purchase price to the public debt of India, to be redeemed, principal and interest ( Originally 10.5%), out of the taxes put upon the Hindu people. Exploitation was dressed now in all the forms of Law- I.e. the rules laid down by the Victor’s for the vanquished. Hypocrisy was added to brutality, while the robbery went on.”” ( The case for India, P. 13)
So these BEIBs were expert of these exploratory tools. According to inner science you start believing as truth what you read and memorise.
Otherwise few of them must have read at least Francis Hamilton Buchanan Dada Bhai Nauroji, Ramesh Chandra Dutt, Ganesh Sakharam deuskar, Will Durant and J Sunderland, and several other writers. If they had read few other books than law books , I am sure they must have reached to different conclusion about history and sociology of India.
These BEIBs, I am sure, If they had different vision about History and sociology of India, than colonized masters, they wouldn’t have accepted this constitution which is made on the template of Government of India Act 1935.
Didn’t they knew that this Act was creation of Plunderers Of India, which according to Will Durant were tools of Exploitation and robbery ?
http://tribhuvanuvach.blogspot.com/2017/10/role-of-beibs-in-todays-india.html/“
Namaste @ Wg. Cdr. Vasant Narayan Deshmukh (Retd.) ·
You are Correct.
Dharm has nothing to do with RELIGION
RELIGIONS are just FAKE_FRAUD_FABRICATED with Hidden Agenda of LOOTING, PLUNDERING, RAPING, GENOCIDAL CRIMES, CONTROLLING NATURAL WEALTHS, MINES, BANKING/EDUCATIONAL/MEDIA/POLITICAL POWERS
…….
all in the name of RELIGIONS/COMMANDMENTS
Hari Om
श्रीस्वामीसमर्थाय नमः Namaskar Madam. Congratulations for a wonderful article. HinduDharm is no man made Religion. Dharm means Naturally Arising Duties of every person. Mother’s Dharm is Looking after welfare of Children. Duties of every father brother sister friend&all other relationships R grouped under Sanatan(meaning Age old ) Dharm. Man made Religions created Enmities&Wars so they need 2 B dispensed with altogether for ensuring Peace in the Whole world.
Excellent understanding of Hindu Religion. In all ways you are very knowledgeable as well as you write so candidly that shows light to Hindus. I am sure there is an agenda to belittle Hinduism and stacking brahmins is part of it. It pains me to see Religions which aren’t rich in their ancestries are using such dirty tricks to survive and expand. One knowledgeable choice people can make is what Religious teachings to follow despite retaining own Religion. Multi faiths may become future of mankind. Born Christian or Muslim but following Hindu way of life.
MODERN CASTE SYSTEM BRITISH CREATION : A TOOL TO DIVIDE & RULE & CONVERT : https://www.myindiamyglory.com/2018/10/28/modern-caste-system-is-british-creation-a-tool-to-divide-rule-and-convert/?
‘@Reply to Ravi P Malhotra
Sir, Their DREAM & AGENDA is ERADICATION OF ALL NON CHRISTIANS FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH
No Country in the world has so far been able to Survive Christian Crusade Terror Plunder Attacks,
Just Hindus are the one who are able to Survive such attacks and still live as HINDUS ( except certain Converts to Christians ).
Though still Christian Missionaries are attacking hindus in tribal areas, poor hindus territories,
Ordered for the book and received it on 26th Nov. So far I Could go through first two chapters, found as if I myself have written it.
Somebody has wrongly spoonfed you. If one has a little knowledge about history and of our social system, thinks impartially, then it can be clearly understood that ups and downs always existed in every aspect of life. The only difference is that who was in the boat when there was tide in the see. It is a general tendency of human behavior that victims of system are always depicted as innocent though they might not be so. This tendency could only be justified in the situations wherein the victims are bared to resist the ill done to them as in the case of mural era in India.
Nice to know that the book resonates with you.
I am 87 now and living in Toronto for the last 54 years. I was born and brought up in Perambur, a predominantly crowded with railway workers & Buckingham & Carnatic Mills workers colonies. In my school & University, I studied with Muslims, Christians etc. My house was very close to Churches of all denominations. During the British rule, it was open secret that Indians were NOT
allowed to mingle with the Whites, which included Anglo Indians. We used to play cricket and the
Fathers/Priests in the local churches used to shoo us away from getting any close to their compounds. I have studied Indian History & British History, both compulsory. Even though, Indian History did mention some atrocities committed by the Muslim Rulers of India, there was and still,
NO BIG OUTCRY against this inhuman behaviour.( I wonder how Mr. Manoj Kumar has not read Indian History ! ) Later, I did some research on my own through my wide travels in India and learnt the hideous things done by the Muslims. The number of Hindus
killed is a lot more than the Jews killed by the Nazis. The so-called civilized British also committed too many atrocities in India during their rule. But here in the West, holocaust is a big subject and the
Jews make sure that everyone learns about it. Yes ! my heart goes out to the Jews who perished under the Nazis and wish them well. Thank God, Jews are doing well in Kerala & Bombay.
I like this column by Maria Wirth and am keeping in touch with it.
Calling names only? No arguments?
Pure bullshit
My dear Wish : There is no such thing as HINDUISM ; Hindus are people who follow SANATANA
DHARMA, principle of living ; What you describe as PURE BULL SHIT, is NOT in this principle but
over a period of thousands of years, a man made institution and definitely NOT by BRAHMINS .
Thank you for your understanding.
Just read your article. It is so insightful. Here I would like to add something:
* Just like any other system caste system was also developed to run the society efficiently and effectively by giving every single person a certain responsibility. It was completely accepted by people of all the castes. But as we know that no system can be perfect, so was the caste system. By the time passed there, somehow, came some morally currupt Brahmins who started feeling themselves superior to others. To keep their superiority intact they tried to oppress the other castes in differe ways. But then some moderate Brahmins found all this not so ok. So they started introducing changes which were more liberal but hampered the very structure of the caste system. Since by then the British had occupied the Nation and had introduced English education all the changes brought in caste system had an impact of British or Foreign culture to some extent. British were so proud of themselves, their culture, their administrative system and so on. Taking an advantage of the education system introduced by them in India they started putting fake gense of pride for British culture, system and people in Indians as their goal was to create a population that would be Indian by flesh but British by blood. Since the Brahmins knew the importance of education they were the first to get educated from British led institutions. But they couldn’t understand their intentions and fall prey to them. Soon they started revolutionising the Indian Caste System and in their attempts they took the help of British administration. Though all of this was not so bad for Indian society it just marked the deterioration of the Indian Caste System.
* Although a number of changes have been brought in the Indian Education System it is still more or less as same as was given by the British while the they themselves have updated their own education system in their own country so reasonably. Due to this instead of analysing the caste system as a system and understanding its various aspects like its pros and cons, reasons behind its success and failure, etc. it is considered only as an abuse. Ironically, even in our school textbook the Brahmins are described as villains in the caste system while they are Brahmins who have initiated and brought most of the changes that the people in India cherish so rightfully nowadays. Here I must say that our almost entire population has lost the skill of empathising and started sympathising a lot. They put emotion over intellect and hence fail to understand the things reasonably.
Well, there is a lot to say but for me its not possible to write everything in a go. Hope my words may add up to your knowledge or may give you another perspective.
Keep writing and sharing.
Bye!
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There is no such thing called caste in hinduism. Stop imposing foreign concepts on us. Varna is not caste. Vedas clearly says varna is quality based. Dharma is not religion. Varna is not caste