A reply to Dr. Zakir Naik

Now what do we know about Allah?….

Allah was the name of the principal deity of Arabia – existed long before Islam- Allah was one of the 360 idols lived in KABA-
A moon god with 3 daughters-
Uzzah- Lat – Manat
It was part of the revealed Quran.

Mohammad later abrogated this enormous error – conveniently accusing Satan of having put the offending words in his mouth- It was called ‘Satanic Verses’.
Allah (Moon God) was a favourite god of Qureshi tribe that Mohamed belonged to..

‘Crescent moon’ sign of moon God Allah- originated from Lord Shiva-
Mohamed & his family was a pagan & he worshipped 360 idols until he became Muslim at the age 47. At that time Hindu = Pagan

‘Naik’ a Hindu name- his ancestor was converted & now a Saudi controlled monster

thanks for the details

When Prakriti(Maya/Parvati) seeks distance from Consciousness(Brahman/Shiva) it creates an outgoing intellect(Ganesha with a human head-mahat)

Consciousness is All there is.But the outgoing intellect can never grasp this truth.It asserts it’s independence by identifying with body, mind etc.

But can body, mind, intellect have any existence without consciousness? No!
But such is play of Maya, that the dependent sounds independent and the independent nonexistent!

when intellect is turned inwards, it confronts consciousness. Consciousness knows nothing independent and apart from itself, what say of a dependent intellect!

A battle ensues, and if lucky, the dependent intellect is chopped off in the process.In it’s place a permanent realization takes shape. One which can distinguish between the dependent and the independent, the real and the apparent ( that’s why the small elephant eyes, nitya anitya vastu viveka), One which is neither the listener nor the listened but the listening itself(shruti, big elephant ears), One which is endowed with discrimination to handle all multiplicity( Elephant trunk can pick a blade of grass and a huge log with the same dexterity), One which is in the world but not of the world(one foot on the ground, another on the lap),One which rides on a mouse( the voracious eater-desire) rather being ridden by it.

I bow down to Ganesha , who is none other than Brahman.

I’m astonished for your knowledge about the Truth and your presentation with full conviction.
I would like to share some of my understanding too…
If one believes that there is no rebirth… one has to blame God for discrimination in creating human beings as some are born as poor, some as rich, some as healthy some as unhealthy, some beautiful some deformed, some in tidy places some in filthy places. The concept of Karma comes here. You are the person for your own destiny. You are like this today because of your deeds in the past (past birth or this birth). The same way your deeds alone define your future (this birth or future birth).
So one must be aware that one has choose one’s own right path for one’s own good. This cycle continues for several births till one realises the Truth and merges with it.
This is called as Jagannaatak (the great drama of creation).

In your description you have presented the clear concept of ‘ekam sat, viprah bahuda vadante’ (truth is one, but the learned describe it in different forms).

I want to add one more attribute to God to your description of God regarding the gender.
God is not (purusha) male, not (sthree) female not even (na-punsaka) transgendered.

Best regard
Starve janaha sukhino bhavanthu
VemuGopal

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that was a really cool explanation

Excellent read.. Thanks

Maria! Your letter of reply to Dr. Zakir Naik is not only a befitting message to the opinionated, self-important preacher but also to all the mis-informed, confused Hindus as well. You had wondered in one of your articles earlier “What Hinduism is lacking?” I venture to say that there is nothing and can never be anything lacking in the religion -Sanatana Vedic Dharmam –a.k.a –Hinduism, but plentiful have gone wrong with the psyche of current generation of Hindus. They are alienated by the western values of life and have given up studying the scriptures that are the treasure-troves of true knowledge on the sentient and insentient beings and their inseparable relationship with the omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient Brahmam-a.k.a-God, Allah and so on. Besides the self-imposed misery of ruination of their own traditional values, the Hindus also face the onslaught of the pseudo secularists for whom Hinduism is an evil divisive religion that discriminates people by birth while Islam and Christianity are the true unifying forces of mankind promoting universal brotherhood. They all live in fools’ paradise never pausing to think and understand the magnitude of the damage they inflict on their own traditional values and culture owing to their own indifference. But, it is true that everyone-whether one accepts Him or not- is the part and parcel of Brahmam who does not need these self-styled, ill-equipped human intermediaries to act as His law-enforcing moral brigade!

He and other Subcontinental Muslims (or Christians) would do well to read the late Anwar Shaikh’s work

Hi Martha,

Thank you for posting this. It is very informative.

The truth is clearly expressed in Sanatan dharma followed by people who later we call as Hindus. The truth emanated in Vedas are ANADI. so we cannot specify its exact origin. It existed, is existing and will exist. The time machine of HG Wells and other fictions and science tell the same and proves some with models and prototypes and in the labs. Ones body and intellect should become the lab for finding the truth of ones existence.Maria, I am impressed by your deep understanding of Sanatan Dharma. No need to convert to other religions and it is also OK if you don’t believe in God. As of now My son doesn’t believe. My daughter was not believing earlier but now she believes in the Almighty. So only time and ones pursuit is their karma and goal.

Thanks for sharing and writing this.

Well said. Every religion is a path to reach God since the path is different the persons who follow it should not be deemed infidels. I think what we need is less of these pseudo religious scholars and more of people with compassion n humaness

I agree 100% with Sunil. If I have no problem with the followers of other religion, why they should have problems with my Hinduism religion. I will have respect for other religions as long as they have respect for my religion. Besides, I consider my Gods and Goddesses are omnipotent and do not need my help to convert anyone or to follow my religion or to punish someone. I am thankful to God who gave me the chance to take birth in the most powerful religion. I am satisfied and peaceful in my religion and pray in my every birth I be blessed to be born in a Hindu family and if possible with the same parents and siblings.

Beautifully worded. Thank you Maria! Whether Dr. Zakir Naik understands this or not, I have to thank him for being the stimulus that gave us this clear and simple response from you. Kunti would pray that misfortunes came her way only so that Sri Krishna would come by to resolve them…just so, I wonder if all these unfortunate, ignorant and arrogant folks are serving a purpose to help the rest of us to see clearly and prod us towards experiencing Sat-chit-ananda! I just loved the way you warned Naik of the consequences of his actions…what goes round must come around…only willfully blind people will not see this happen, irrespective of their beliefs.

Atsalamwalikum One Hindu friend asked me questions which was dumbfounded you must answer these questions as they are very crucial . today or tomorrow we Muslim boys will also ask you this same questions , you cannot turn away ,answer us please .these subjects are very tough to understand it will need great conviction and resilience and intelligence to understand this tough topics which even the ordinary Hindu do not understand .how will you?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? MY CONSCIENCE THEREFORE GIVES ME THE GUTS TO LEAVE ISLAM AFTER READING THE HINDU PHYLOSOPHY AND UNDERSTANDING THE SCIENCE OF SPIRIT WHICH NEITHER NO RELIGION OTHER THAN THE VEDAS HAVE THEREFORE IT IS HOME RETURN FOR ME .
You miss a very simple point that needs very little common sense.
What Christians and Muslims will say ours is a perfect religion as it galvanises and harmonises matter and spirit ,in fact as per their understanding spirit is some kind of blob that needs a body and entering which it is able to perform its activity, and after death he gets a body but a permanent one ,whose conceptions are taken from their very earthly experiences, but is permanent by nature , in fact Vedas state it is only under spell of illusion that one understands this way , in face Vedas say that soul is non matter it is by force of false ego he is turned away from his eternal service too god, therefore acquires a illusory body of make believe in the dualities of male and female by his birth in the material world , a manifestation of false ego or self independent enjoyer .
Vedas therefore says
1) Matter is different from spirit or in other words material body is different from the spiritual body.
2) Spirit is independent therefore it is the one that empowers the material body and senses to act ,and not vice versa
for one might sat it is darkness that gives darkness to light but we know as a fact it is light that gives illumination to darkness,.
3) Christians and Muslims will say ours is a perfect religion as it galvanises and harmonises matter and spirit but that is not possible it is an attempt to mix oil with water and trying to sell both , in fact both do not mix.
4) Soul is absolutely different from the material body commands it own state of happiness called bliss therefore concepts of Adam , eve, penis or vagina cannot enter the spiritual realm
5) The soul is “tatasta” in his illusory state and is sandwiched between matter and spirit , therefore negating the experience of his material self he transcendences to the complete experience of the soul this state of realisation s called spiritual realisation or “atma bodh or spirituality” this is a credible concept that neither Christianity nor Islam can explain , bringing severe unanswerable doubt in one mind , and once such understanding creeps in one is bound to leave these faiths outside the periphery of the Vedas , which gives you the correct interpretation of the spirit or spirituality.

BHAGWAT PURAN explains the character of the soul
BHAGWAT PURAN 8:3 24 He is neither demigod nor demon, neither human nor bird or beast. He is not woman, man, or neuter, nor is He an animal. He is not a material quality, a furtive activity, a manifestation or non manifestation. He is the last word in the discrimination of “not this, not this,” and He is unlimited.
SPIRITUALITY COMES FROM THE WORD SPIRIT THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENCE OF SPIRIT AND MATTER IN ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY
1)“”Spirituality”” comes from the word spirit ,
2) “”Spirituality”” therefore means science of the spirit
3) “”Spirituality”” means that i am the spirit ,god is spirit , and i am not the material being composed of the perishable body of male and female,
Spirituality means that the material body is not the real self and the spirit or spiritual form is the actual form covered by the material form constituted by the collective force and compulsiveness and obstinacy of the souls in false ego . To be an independent god,
4) Therefore understand spirituality there must be a differential understanding between matter and spirit ,Spirit is one’s actual self of the person and the material body is the false illusory perishable covering and not his real self. This is called as “vigyan” or “self realisation” “atma bodh “ or the experience or the bliss of the soul or higher happiness .A person enjoying the bliss of the soul which is a higher happiness cannot get attracted again to lower bodily happiness related with the material body , therefore concept of male or female , sex , penis or vagina cannot enter the spiritual residences. It is a perverted understanding like the impression of a second moon , stemming from the very one’s experiences of the material world. Although Christians call it “soul” and Muslims call it “Ru” , but that does not at all give the understanding or the experience of the soul ,
Spirit means a character and a world separate and different from the matter in a state of illusion the soul stays within matter or the material body and in a liberated state it is independendent of his dual state experiencing his pure state as a soul that is different in character and likes and conditions of the material body.
What Christians and Muslims will say
, THAT OUR FAITH MAINTAINS A BALANCE BETWEEN MATTER AND SPIRIT , ACTUALLY THEY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF EITHER MATTER OR SPIRIT . which in both Islam and Christianity is just something which needs a medium ,agent or a body to enter and enjoy , therefore both Islam and Christianity picking up their experiences of the material body and imagines that after the death of the present temporary body the soul will enter a new permanent body of male and female which will have permanent characteristics of the temporary body. Vedas say this is not a proper understanding as, the soul is independent and different from the material body , it is a separate body trapped by covering of a temporary illusory material body or illusion and coming out of it as separate by sadhana is the ultimate goal experience o the soul . Therefore the soul enjoys and commands it’s own character of happiness called as bliss , but since it is covered by the material body in the form of ignorance , He imagine sin heavenly jannat he will achieve alter death another material body similar but permanent body ,which will be medium of permanent enjoyment for the soul , this is fallacious and not in accordance to our scriptures. Experiencing the bliss of the soul is in overhauling and defeating the ignorance of the material body is called “STATE OF LIBERATION ”liberation for he soul or from understanding or consciousness of being the material body to the consciousness that he is not the material body to the consciousness or complete understanding or experience for the soul in its original independent and liberated form there is no illusion of the material body composed oF eight elements they are
EARTH, WATER, FIRE, EATHER, AIR ,MIND AND INTELLIGENCE. THAT FURTHER EXPAND TO A TOTAL OF 26 ELEMENTS
THE CONSCIOUSNESS ORDER OF CREATED BEINGS FROM INANIMATE TO HUMANS BASED ON HIS DEGREE OF CONSCIOUSNESS OF SPIRIT , AS ONLY IN HUMAN FORM OF LIFE ONE CAN EXPERIENCE BY SHIFTING HIS CONSCIOUSNES FROM MATTER TO SPIRIT.
BHAGWAT PURAN
SB 3.29.28 — Living entities are superior to inanimate objects, O blessed mother, and among them, living entities who display life symptoms are better. Animals with developed consciousness are better than them, and better still are those who have developed sense perception.
SB 3.29.29 — Among the living entities who have developed sense perception, those who have developed the sense of taste are better than those who have developed only the sense of touch. Better than them are those who have developed the sense of smell, and better still are those who have developed the sense of hearing.
SB 3.29.30 — Better than those living entities who can perceive sound are those who can distinguish between one form and another. Better than them are those who have developed upper and lower sets of teeth, and better still are those who have many legs. Better than them are the quadrupeds, and better still are the human beings.
SB 3.29.31 — Among human beings, the society which is divided according to quality and work is best, and in that society, the intelligent men, who are designated as brāhmaṇas, are best. Among the brāhmaṇas, one who has studied the Vedas is the best, and among the brāhmaṇas who have studied the Vedas, one who knows the actual purport of Veda is the best.
SB 3.29.32 — Better than the brāhmaṇa who knows the purpose of the Vedas is he who can dissipate all doubts, and better than him is one who strictly follows the brahminical principles. Better than him is one who is liberated from all material contamination, and better than him is a pure devotee, who executes devotional service without expectation of reward.
SB 3.29.33 — Therefore I do not find a greater person than he who has no interest outside of Mine and who therefore engages and dedicates all his activities and all his life — everything — unto Me without cessation.
SB 3.29.34 — Such a perfect devotee offers respects to every living entity because he is under the firm conviction that the Supreme Personality of Godhead has entered the body of every living entity as the Supersoul, or controller.
SB 3.29.35 — My dear mother, O daughter of Manu, a devotee who applies the science of devotional service and mystic yoga in this way can achieve the abode of the Supreme Person simply by that devotional service.
SB 3.29.36 — This puruṣa whom the individual soul must approach is the eternal form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is known as Brahman and Paramātmā. He is the transcendental chief personality, and His activities are all spiritual.

Well a good question. I shall not attempt to answer it. But just to correct your impression Wikipedia is not fully reliable since I hope you know that I can edit and add information as a user of the same.

Hells explained in the vedas https://www.facebook.com/Just.Hari.Naam/photos/a.365313433479221.95169.249375091739723/863802843630275/?type=3&theater

In RAMAYAN there is a verse which goes in hindi as जाकी रही भावना जैसी प्रभु मूरत देखी तिन तैसी
This means you will perceive the god as you have feel at your heart. In Hinduism god is faceless, shapeless and omnipresent in every thing living or dead. He will appear before you, when remembered with pure heart, in same shape as you have imagined. If you perceive him as ganesha, you will witness him as ganesha, if you perceive him as goddess durga, you will see him so. So it is matter of belief alone.

This is what happens when pseudo scholars take the podium in the form of self proclaimed scholars like Zakir Naik and not to mention Maria Worth. No doubt the latter deserves a little credit in coming to the ultimate truth that “There is only One God” but her understanding of Abraham of religions seems to be smeared in deep mired prejudice or at least a very shallow knowledge to say the bare minimum. The verse she quoted above to justify her narrow prism of thought and reference testifies to the fact that her understanding of theology is as shallow as that of Zakir Naik. The verse that she actually quoted without even understanding purports to say that the flouters and defiers of Divine law are destined to suffer not only from peace of mind but also their inward and outward dross and impurities of sins committed by them would be purged and they would be cleansed and purified to make them deserving of salvation. Her literal assumptions of a physical Heaven and Hell only justifies her failure in grasping the hidden beauties inscribed in the ecclesiastical gems available to human beings. She does not seem to be fit to even comprehend a mere literary work in its entirety let alone a book of profound depth and spiritual excellence. The Quran is a book replete with allegories,metaphors and parables and the lucid prose style is par excellence however prejudiced hearts and dark minds can only take misguidance out of it and nothing positive as proved by Zakir Naik, Maria Werth and the Muslim and non-Muslim world alike. The Quran teaches that a person is judged by his moral conduct which is determined by demonstrating righteousness irrespective of social, national, ethnic, racial or religious affinity. The Quran teaches respect for all world religions and their founders as the origin of all was from the same source. The prayer which Maria Werth failed to understand (Opening Chapter of the Holy Quran: Sura Fatiha) is a supplication to the Almighty, Lord of the Whole Universe, The Gracious, The Merciful, The Master of the Day of Judgement who is worshipped by those who believe in Him. His Help is sought in all matters of human life. This supplication is a prayer for guidance to be on the right path, the path of those who were chosen and blessed by God, and not those who incurred his displeasure nor those who went stray after having been Guided by God. Maria Werth seems to have completely failed to grasp the essence of a beautiful prayer and tried turning it into something despicable owing to her narrow sighted understanding or misguided prejudice. Maria Werth you need to study properly with a good heart seeking God’s guidance to get to any truth not just your own intellect and understanding. While it is true that sages and peers of Indian civilisation achieved paramount success in search of Supreme Truth, what Maria Werth failed to understand is that the Quran testifies to the fundamental truth of all religions.

Although its proven that hindu scripts(vedas and upanishads) are one of the oldest scripts, it doesnt matter what is oldest. Whats more important is, whatever it preaches should not harm humanity. Hinduism preaches humanity. If you read bhagawad gita, it preaches karma. Karma means work. Do good work and dont expect anything from it. I just want to say that Whatever you believe it should not harm the non believers.

After reading all the articles , replies, and the teachings of different real scholars and psuedo scholars, I came to conclusion that ” In this world Faith is prevailing the Truth.” Nobody can neither prove nor disprove anyone’s solid theory, per se. Let’s just leave other faiths as is , if we don’t how to respect them. Disrespecting other’s beliefs is bad, conversions for the same reason is worse, I believe in that. We are fighting for nothing, no dead person has come back and said if he had gone to paradise or hell. In my opinion “GOOD IS GOD.”

LOL .
Trust me Maria …you need a psychologist …take care God bless you …you seems to be a good human being …

Dear Agni_b, I have to address this misconception. While it’s true Kaaba housed about 365 idols, they didn’t come about being there spontaneously. They were added by different Arabian tribes over period of time. That does leave an open minded person thinking, if thats the case (as is historically evident), there was a time when Kaaba was empty. Exactly!! Kaaba was built with no idols but for the worship of God, Almighty without attributing shape or size or form. But with time, this was violated & eventually it was cleansed with the conquest of Makkah by Prophet Muhammed (may peace be on him).

So your notion of Allah being a moon god is an oriental misconception which was later withdrawn by the orientalists. The trio of Laat, manaat & Uzza were indeed personalities of yester years, later turned into dieties – does that draw a parallel to Indian context? Something I hope u think about..

Finally, pls do ponder about what I refer to as the litmus test for simple, brief description of God,

God is One & only one, unique
God is eternal & independent
God was neither born to someone nor have any progeny
Theres none like God.

Only God can pass this test, which seems reasonable to me. Instead of twisting the whole concept of God I’ve tried to lay it down in simple terms here.. Hope you find it useful & may you be guided to truth.

Mannina, Hinduism preaches the same attributes of God. But it goes beyond by describing that birth and actions of God are divine. God can accept whatever forms based on his own will. God in Hinduism signifies both concepts (from math) integration (formless) and differentiation (forms and expansions). Whereas, the souls are obligated to accept the bodies based on their nature or karmas accumulated in the previous lives.

Religions likes Islam and Christianity are very limiting, as they lack answers to so many questions. Zakir Naik simply followed the doctrine of Islam, by criticizing Hinduism and glorifying Islam. Therefore, the followers become extremists,as their vision is extremely narrow and thoughts are shallow. Does that make sense?

jai ho maria ji ki

Thanks a lot Maria for the simplest explanation of the concept of God in Hinduism…I love your article.

Now to your definition of God.

How did you arrive at this definition of God?

From Quran? whose only credibility is that Muhammad said it’s the word of God and it in turn said that Muhammad is god’s prophet!!

Only an irrational person would accept such a circular assertion.

The definition of God must be rational.Quran or Muhammad do not provide that.Instead they imposes blind belief(Imaan)

Anyways let’s check your definition of God w.r.t Allah

You say :
God is One & only one, unique
God is eternal & independent
God was neither born to someone nor have any progeny
Theres none like God

Now ask yourself:
Allah calls himself best of creators in Quran.This means he is not the only one, there are other creators! So he fails the first test.
(BTW creationism is an irrational foolish concept)

We see in the universe that everything that has form , would have taken shape in time.This means every formful thing has has a birth.and everything that us born, dies in the Universe.
Now Allah has a form.He sits on a throne, has two hands, he has legs with which he closes the door of hell and heaven etc etc.
So Allah is not eternal.
Nor is he independent because all formful things exist in space,.Since Allah is formful is bound by space.
So second criteria too, Allah fails the test

I can go on and on, but you get the point. Right?

Hari Om Maria,
Your blog makes a very sincere effort to communicate something that is profound. I congatulate you for the effort.

However I have to sympathize with you for trying to communicate to the likes of Shri.Zakir!

I pray to my ancestors to always inspire and guide you and all people like you.

If Allah is the omnipotent, omnipresent, God (the Supreme Reality), Mohammad has totally misunderstood and Quran is the result of this misunderstanding. His interpretation is male-centric, reduces women to the level of slaves and mocks at other religions. A common prayer a Hindu often says is “Akasat patitam toyam yatha gacchati saagaram, sarvadeva namaskaram Kesavam pratigacchati” – Just as all the water that falls on the ground, finds its way to the vast ocean; the prayers / obeisance offered to the different Gods / deities, reach the supreme ‘God’

Ms. Wirth, you have quoted the Mahavakya and the upanishads. Do you think Zakir Naik will understand these? Even many Hindus do not understand this, unless they have a Guru or took some efforts to understand the essence of their religion.

Thanks for the excellent article.

Superlative thoughts Maria. Enjoyed everybit of it. Makes sense really. Request you to see the following link. Might interest you n others who have replied to you. Thnx n regards
https://youtu.be/-fqxTvOXJZM

Here comes with some highlights in the article by Maria wirth which I felt needed some corrections.

Pathetic, what else explanation of reality can one expect from Religion!

“Truth is.” sentence completed. “Unity is” sentence completed. “Diversity is not truth” explanation of reality completed. “Nothing actually exists” explanation of matter completed. “Every One is part of the Only One – Brahman”. “Brahman is none other than yourself and even the one next to you”. “The Truth manifests itself inside you, not outside”. “Bliss of consciousness is always” sentence completed.

Oh my Universe !! What confused and gullible minds have you happened to contain! Those that can literally see and experience bliss and enlightenment even in utter chaos and nonsense that a certain explanation of reality is. And the clarity and conviction!

Seems like you gained great wisdom from the legends like Deepak Chopra.

I highly recommend “receiving more wisdom” from here: http://wisdomofchopra.com/

Interesting. I’m reminded of swami vivekananda’s q and a in USA. A lady asked swami the difference between eastern philosophy and western philosophy. Swami calmly replied, “western philosophy says that there is only one God, but eastern philosophy says all gods are one”.

you can post my article on your blog. but why did you copy my article here in the comment section, when it is there on top? i deleted it.

Dear Maria worth and all the people from world.
No,The same words mentioned in the quran are mentioned in Allah’s previous books he gave to previous people.Quran is not only Allah’s book.

He said the same thing to Jesus,Moses,Dawood.

Injeel is the the book Allah gave to Jesus.He said the same thing which he says in Quran “If you do not beilieve one god you will be sent to hell”.
Also mentioned about last messenger Muhammad.

The book you are considering as precious,and naming them “old revelation which came before Quran pridely are the book Which Allah gave to Jesus and which is existing in the name of Bible in Its impure form in altered form.

Not only Bible.All the other books which are still existing in the name of revelation are same.
It consists of God’s words’ also peoples’ words.Also some true word.Also some false words in Mixed form.

So can’t take all the verses in yours books into consideration.Only few are acceptable.
You are not really brave it identify which words are gods’ and which word are altered time to time.

In your book it says “If you do not believe one god you will be sent to hell”.
Those are about Allah only.Not about any other god.

In some books.It is said about last messenger.It is Muhammad only(Not any other messenger)

Quran is not only Allah’s revelation.
There were 124,000 meseengers including Muhammad.For all of them Allah told the same thing “If you do not believe one god you will be sent to hell”.

What you all do is ,You take Allah’s words or the words which describes about Allah and give a title to some other god(a god you imagine) and confuse the entire world and argue with us keeping the Word”If you do not believe one god or any other verse which describes about Allah.Those are about Allah only.Not any other god.

The books which are considering as precious books are Alla’h previous revelation which are still existing in altered form.You are confused because your book also says.you will got to hell if you do not believe one god”.It is about Allah only.

Buddha says about a messenger who will come next.And also he requests his people to do as he did at his time only and not do thereafter and to accept new messenger.
It is going to be so many years since Buddha came.People still follow him.He said about last messnger.(That is Muhammad sal only).

Buddhists are still hoping for some one who has already come.They can’t recognize who that really is.(That is Muhammad (sal) only.

So we accept Adam(alai),Nuh(alai),Ibrahim(alia),Moses (alai),Jesus(alai)all the 124,000 messengers including Muhammad.

My intention is not to annoy anyone.I want to tell truth to every one.Not only Zakir Naik’s .Every Muslim’s duty is to tell the truth to unknown.

Maria worth,
So Zakir Naik can’t explain it to you individually.He has already clearly explained in his all the speeches.If you concentrate them and listen carefully you will understand.

Actually in eastern philosophy, there is only God. (Nothing else) Sarvam Kahlvidam Brahma.
(Awesome Article, congratulations)

Many Of My Friends And Classmates Say Ramayana And Mahabharta Are Only Story And Are Not Real.I Am Very Sad About It And I Think Almost All Of These Hindus Are Brainwashed By Christians Or Western Education System. Dhanyavad Maria Devi Jee.

Study history bro!
🙂
And do study what happened when Constantine adopted Christianity. :’)

It was a relief to see that there are souls who do attempt to understand the core philosophy of the Hindu way of life. I am not more excited to see a born Christian lady addressing the core principles realized by the Rishis than dismayed to see the plight of born Hindus who blindly imitate the fanaticism of the likes of Naik without peeping into the depth of this ancient thought.

Beautifully summarised Ms.Wirth,..many thanks .If only we have the fortitude and common sense to extract the good and beautiful from scriptures, religions, traditions and ignore the rest,..the world would be so much the better, but peace has never been a lasting state and this chaos may all be a part of the larger picture which our myopic minds may not still be able to comprehend…so even the ugly and dangerous like Z.Naik and his minions have a significant role to play out

Very well written and explained, Maria. It clearly shows that your faith has come from strong reasoning and experience and not just by going through the scripts. There was a time in India when there were healthy debates about various schools of thoughts. And those great men always looked at all the 3 aspects – Pratyaksha (Experience of here and now), Agama (Scriptures) and Tarka(Logic). One cannot always refer to the scriptures and get away.

Another school of thought in Vedic Philosophy, which is referred as Tattvavada (Propounded by Madhvacharya) refers to Ganapati as an abhimani devata. In Tattvavada, there is only one Deva (Supreme Power), who is Vishnu referred as Brahman and there are Devatas (other divine powers) in specific hierarchical order. And Ganapati is referred to as a divine power that controls space (Akasha). This is also the reason why Ganapati is referred as Vigna nashaka because he can really help us to make space to reach our goals and can remove all our impediments that come in the way.

Another important concept is Tattvavada is Antargata daiva. That is God or supreme brahman resides in all of us and hence also resides in Ganapati. When we bow to Ganapati, we are not just bowing to him but also acknowledging the power that resides inside him, which is the supreme power. So, when we see shlokas praising Ganapati on his powers of creation, sustaining and destruction, we are also praising the supreme lord inside who has bestowed those powers to Ganapati.

Ramayana and Mahabharata ARE stories. However, there is useful knowledge [of life] embedded in these stories! Our job is to find that knowledge and live our lives according to what we learn.

Naman..Thank you Maria….

Zakir Naik can keep his paradise. I don’t mind being in a cauldron of fire and burn to eternity and have boiling water and oil poured on me so that my skin melts and also the inner parts of my belly.

‘@Saurabh Shukla

The important thing is that we read and discuss Ramayana, Mahabharata, and all other Hindu texts, with the aim to learn, so that we can put that learning to practice in our lives. Whether the texts are real incidents or fictional is unimportant. The only thing important is that the knowledge derived from them is REAL!

Amazing eye opener. Thankyou so much

Dear all, Please study about islam and all other religion from thier relegious document, islam from quran and hadeeth Not from muslims, also you can criticize, then you can believe or not. Muslims are only communicator about islam, not compelled any one into islam.

Sir. Please browse the you tube where there are numerous evidences suggesting that Ramayana and Mahabharata are not just stories.

Wonderful lady may God bless you bless you bless you oum Shanti ShantI Shanti

Haha a….this is known as little knowledge is always dangerous?
Dear you need to improve your research and lot quoting out if context will not solve your problem or will not mislead the believer’s.
More over Dr.Zakir Naik is just a speaker on comparative religion,he is not an Alim.
Hence you are kindly requested to improve your knowledge about your own religion and then compare and give public opinion.
Just wating YouTube or television will not improve your IQ.

he is not the only one to radicalise youth because unfortunately, Jihad is part of Islam.

Siddhartha was a follower of No-God theory so according to me he told abt last messenger thing is incorrect.

I m a complete no believer so I hav few doubts
If God Exists…

If God is creator ??
Why would he required 124000 messenger ? Can’t he/she just upgrade the brains of new generation according to his requirement ?

I and my wife are creator of my son, I definitely want him to learn good things and live the life happily but If he disrespect us or disobey us at least we will not throw him in to the boiling water saying him you deserve hell because u disobey.

( My command over dis language is not dat good. I apologize to all of you for the mistakes. My opinion is not to challenge anyone’s faith it is one of the doubt produced by my tiny brain) Smile 🙂

no need to believe me. just use your own brain

Dear Maria worth and all the people from world,

The books you are considering as precious and old revelations are the Allah’s previous revelations which are still existing in altered in unimaginable way.

People time to time changed them.They kept adding words.So the book you are following are not existing in its original form.They were changed time to time.

Some of the words are acceptable.One such is ,Which says if you do not believe me you will be sent to hell.That is true.In this ,it mentions about Allah only.Not any other god.

Allah gave Injeel to Jesus-Today it is existing not in its original.

Hinduism-.It also mentions about last messenger (Muhmmad sal).It contains some of the Quran words.But they were altered time to time.They are not its original form

Buddha-
He mentions about next messenger.Buddha asked not do as he did other than in his time.
Now it going to be many years.Now a new messenger has.Why people do not do as Buddha requested .

What people do is,They collect The words which tells about Allah or the words said by Allah,or The word said by one of Allah’s 124,000 messengers and give that title to new people or a god they imagine.

There were 124,000 messengers of Allah.What people had been doing was they collected some from the revelations which were given to those messengers by Allah and made new books adding whatever they preferred.
124,000 messengers are including men an Jins.
So you might find some mixed added miraculous stories of Jins.
It does not mean they are true.

So that is why you still find the words which tells about Allah in your books.If you find such words It does not mean it descibes about the gods mentioned in your books.It is about Allah only.

Maria, this is a very good reply to Zakir Naik’s challenge. However, I feel that this reply would be fully comprehensible only to some people (e.g. those who are well educated or already have some understanding/exposure to higher teachings of Hinduism). Things will go over the head of those who are conditioned to see God a certain way (e.g. Muslims, Christians, and even most Hindus). I know that if I had read this 10-15 years ago, I would not have understood a thing. Back then I had never even heard of the phrase “Sat Chit Ananda”. And the only “Brahman” that I knew of was that upper caste guy who discriminates against shudras and obsesses about purity 🙂

Having said that, the reply is great and easily meets Zakir’s challenge. So congratulations!
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I have made my own attempt at responding to Zakir’s challenge. In my response I have concentrated heavily on equating Sri Ganesha with “God”. Interested folks can read it here-

https://plus.google.com/117948605050831567900/posts/UuDxFTnvaui

Dear brothers (All Faiths) May peace be on you all.
Who says only muslims all go to paradise. It is only one in seventy three or 1/73, a bit more than 1%. of them following islam. We all think that only by uttering the sahada or being born in a muslim family take you to heaven then we are at deep fault. Hope Mr Naik clerify this to the so called muslims first. Each of the sects belives every other sect is for hell fire. I have read some Quran ( Translation) And Hadiths and found the so called Sunnat al jamat main sect is the most deviated sect .Their name suggest the followers of the prophet, but More than 80 % they do is against the sunnah. How come our country with 70% of majority religion is unable to create some one to counter Mr Naik. Why is nobody to debate with him, Do they fear of losing or is he speaking the truth ? He says he is a doctor, what was he studing in MBBS. have they started teaching religion in the syalebus. Are our Hindu Scholars and Leaders deciving us, do we have to learn our religion for him? Hats off to the jain group (A mionority 2%) rishab foundation who atleast tried to debate with him on Non Veg food. What was the Learned SRI SRI RAVISHANKER doing sharing the stage with him he claims to have Memoriesd the Bhagwad Gita at the age of five. Had he forgotten it on the stage. Mr Naik was bombarding verse after verse and Sri Sri was silent could he not couter him. I fell our gurus have let us down. It is time when our learned scholars get up and do the home-work or someone else will steal the show. WAKE UP INDIA WAKE UP, Save hindus and Hindustan. learn Sanskrith and read the scriptures and don’t get fooled by anybody.

What a story with your own interpretation of Hindu religion. Please note the point that Islam and Christianity are not the only religions which claim their learning comes from the book
Hinduism also source their learning from the the holy scriptures otherwise all that you have referred does not make any logic

Please declare your evidence what is the source you have.

As a human being I learn that if I take my case to the court I have to bring an evidence that my claim is it true otherwise no court on this planet earth going to accept my claim. On this basis I ask you , what is your evidence to support your claim otherwise you are one of those who say agree to disagree and you go your way I go my way or you say 2+2 is five and there is no justification to prove it.

Hi Maria,
Even Hinduism has books such as Manusmrithi, which speaks of casteism and some very cruel actions such as pouring molten leads into the ears of a Shudra. What is your take on it? Also, I believe stories such as Mahabharata and Ramayana are very prejudiced towards a certain caste/section, such as Karna being ignored of opportunities (being a low-caste member), Arjuna being elevated as a protagonist (though quite a few of his victories over opponents have come via deceit, by hiding behind Krishna or using his advice), etc. With all due respect, my take is, that all these religions have become a tool used to exercise undue advantage and religion must and will slowly evade from humanity and give rise to more complex structures and beliefs. There are some very good points mentioned in every religion and many not so good. We must inculcate the good and reject the bad ones, same holds for Hinduism too. I’m a Hindu by birth and practice, but I don’t believe in caste, neither do I believe in any of the scriptures, beyond what is mentioned as good as per my understanding (which evolves with time, experience and intellect). I do agreed to your point on brainwashing. As a kid, I was thoroughly mesmerized by what Mahabharata and Ramayana and now I can see how brainwashed I was in believing in them.
Please refer below link on Brahma Sutra Talks by Shankaracharya:
https://muktipadablog.wordpress.com/2015/12/10/brahma-sutra-caste-by-birth/

Have a good day!

Regards

Thanks for your reply! I do endorse your statement to analyze every proclaimed truth with reason, experience and intuition and my statements about evolving views on Mahabharata and Ramayana are on the very same basis. Even among Hindus, the understanding on Mahabharata and Ramayana of someone from upper caste is highly likely to differ from that of someone from the lower caste. And I would attribute this majorly to their life experience as part of their respective caste.

I haven’t read Bible or Quran but, have come across certain quotes in various forum discussions and hence, my take, at least on the scriptures from each of these 3 religions (Hinduism, Christianity and Islam) isn’t any different. May be, Brahmanism is a philosophy, pure in nature and seeking the truth. I must confess here that, I belong to one of the lowest castes in Hinduism (by birth). In India, casteism has prevailed far too long and far too long in a wrong way, that I don’t see any point in having caste (even if I by practice and not by birth). For e.g., you’ll ‘rarely’ (I will not claim in absolute terms since my view of world is limited) see a person, who is from lower caste, trying to follow the tenets of brahmanism and being recognised as one, by other Brahmans. If you go through the experience of Shudras in the past (and even today), it was not the Shudras, who exploited the caste theory. I’m not sure, if it’s being from so-called lower caste myself or, if it’s my prejudice, but then again, I can though claim that, the lower caste people, never had access or opportunity to realise and follow the path to become a true brahman (again in my limited view of the world as anyone else). I don’t claim Christianity or Islam to be any better or worse, in fact, I choose not to compare them. For me, as I mentioned earlier, I take what is noble in any of these 3 religions, without hesitation and reject those which I feel are misaligned to the basic values of humanity. I believe and accept that I’m flawed and, the journey of my life is only to evolve with the 3 factors I mentioned in my previous comment. I consider myself a Hindu, in the only sense, that Hinduism has enabled me to think beyond religion,caste or creed. I have also found similar like-minded people from Christianity and Islam (again, purely by birth). I believe, humanity has evolved to a stage, where they are enabled to transcend beyond the conventional religious tenets, but the basics of all the religions remain same and noble in intentions, which need not be overridden or ignored, in other words, are timeless.
I do understand, this write-up of yours is a reply to Dr.Zakir Naiks’s statements and I believe his statements to claim Islam/Quran as The One, are no different than what some Christians and or Hindus are trying to achieve. I wasn’t aware of him or any of his speeches until his recent prominence and I certainly don’t endorse his views on Islam or other religion. But I don’t endorse similar (not same) views from supporters of Christianity or Hinduism either.

Thanks for a wonderful write-up (should have mentioned in my first comment itself, apologies), I did get to learn more about Hinduism, which I believe is not bigoted, irrespective of whether I endorse them or otherwise.

Disclaimer: Please note that I’m not against people from other-caste. I do have the fortune to live among people from all other religions and castes, who live beyond what the tenets of their religion advises them to be and who are like-minded as I am. I’ve learned that the true believers of the religion are the one who are self-critical, if not more.

Have a good day!

Regards,
Well-wisher

So clearly explained..and what a coincidence..I read and chant the Driver Ganapati Atharvashirsham intermittently..why..cause I like the sound of it, whenever i feel like it..and just u uploaded a recording of my chant on FB yday..so feeling the brush of Divine synchronicity by chancing on your article within 24 hours of my upload via twitter

“Scriptures just show the way where to look for the truth. the truth is not in a book.”

I am going to save that in my Great Quotes compilation.

A teacher once taught his student how to find knowledge. He said “Read all the scriptures and once you have read them, put them away. Then GO OUT to search for knowledge.” Apparently he meant the same thing that you said.

One of the keys to obtaining equanimity (Gita) is to realize that Brahman is all pervading and when you see anything such as a thing or animal pr person they are just part of the same thing. Since everyone is part of one big family you can now have empathy, peace, love towards your fellowmen and animals. You don’t take abuse from others personally if you see him as same as you. Your vibe changes.

BTW Maria this is not Maya in the sense you seem to understand it – it is real, but it has been created from energy as building blocks so what you see is not what it really is. Still what you see is real and it is part of God. This is what I have come to understand. I may be wrong but matter is here and now and proven. The roles you play in life are real, but they are only roles.

As I understand it: Yes, there is something real, as you say, energy as building blocks or maybe better ‘pure consciousness’. That what is really real is one. The multitude in this universe that is perceived by our consciousness is a wrong perception as it is not really true, in the sense that truth needs to be always and be self-evident.

yes, these things happen

Maria,
There are two distinct words in Sanskrit- Mythya and Maya. Mythya is one that is not reality and hence is fantasy or imaginary or non-existing. For example “a lotus in the sky” , ‘a hair’s horn’ etc. Maya is reality in perception but miraculous and unexplainable like magic . For example, Lord Krishna’s pass times, mirage, Universe etc.

An excellent write-up. Thank you for taking on this barbarian’s views.

If I start explaining Islam and the Holy Quran to a person who is non Muslim , I am more than 100 % sure that he will understand what I am saying but what you going through your blog till the end , I didn’t sort out what was that . All mixed up things and confusing stories from many books with many gods … At least we believe in One God Allah, and follow the final testament that is The Holy Quran .

Maria,
I feel that you are god sent. Brahman sends such divine souls like you in order to safeguard the Hindus and the values of the vedas, that is what I feel. Words cannot express the feeling of gratitude which Hindus naturally have.

you explained it well but that’s some thing new I heard , these denomination kinda things. Throughout years I have heard immense variation in Hindusim unlike Christanity, Judaism and Islam. Too many gods and goddesses, too many books(mostly fictional stories), different mandars and a variety of followers. Being a Muslim I am telling you , we have two main sects in Islam, Shia and Sunni. But both of the agree with the basics of Islam i.e. Allah is one and prophet Muhammad is the final Messanger of Allah. Another fact,Islam is the end of the mission started by the first prophet and the first Human being on earth Adam (A.S) . So it’s not a new religion, it is a final shape of this whole period. So the only thing we need to follow is the Al Mighty God Allah in the light of Holy Quran and how to lead a life , the life of the last prophet is a setting example . That’s it .

Dear Mariaji, It’s Malayalam Language. A translation of your post.

That would be malayalam…

Does it not the simple proof of Tolerance that Hinduism has for not only to other religions but also towards the non-believers,atheists and hate mongers! This tolerance is mistaken for cowardice by many who practice other religions that boast of owning the monopoly of spiritual idealism.

Practical. Good Observation

‘@ AMIR AHMEDI
Maria has not failed, but spoken the truth which many cowards Hindus shy away.

No-one can make sense to any Muslim fundos, reason rational is not in their vocabulary.
You have miserably failed to comprehend the vicious Islamic doctrine.

Read If you like to learn further-
* Mohamed
* Quran
* Islamic barbarism
and see if you still believe what u said

‘’ …….the Quran testifies to the fundamental truth of all religions.‘“

Only a mentally retarded Jihadi can utter this garbage-

Please enlighten us how you would address the issue of other faiths telling you that your faith is wrong and only theirs is right. Show us how to write such an article.

The problem is Maria thinks Islam was just came in over 1400 years ago and that philosophical narration of God’s existance is more authentical.
You can only talk about something unless you have to read the scriptures thru a trained teacher.
Picking half baked content from here and there doesn’t serve the purpose.
I’m definitely not impressed by the article, it’s more philosophical than authentical.

In the Social media like twitter and blogs, I often encounter questions from Muslims/Christians which questions the basic foundation of Hinduism. More interestingly, many Hindus themselves are unable to properly answer these questions. I am listing some of these questions here – 
 
– Why does Hinduism have so many Gods, and they are all related to each other as husband/wife/son/daughter etc.
– How do you explain the wrongdoings of some God like Indra, who had illicit relationship 
– How do you explain the fact that certain Gods were born and later died. How can God be born or die?
– Why do you worship linga of Shiva
– Why do you worship idols, stones, trees, rats, snakes etc?
– How do you explain certain verses in Manusmriti which are ver regressive towards women/dalits?
 
 
Most of these questions put an average Hindu on a weak front, and he does not know how to respond to these questions. Infact, some of them see validity in these questions. My article below is to shed some light on this, based on my understanding of Hinduism.
 
Abrahmic religion has a different paradigm than Hinduism and cannot be viewed/analyzed using the same prism. All Abrahmic religion have a founder, a rule book (which they say is word of God), and follow monotheism.
 
Hinduism on the other hand has no founders, has no single book which can be said to be the word of God, and includes everything from monotheism, polytheism to atheism. So what exactly is Hinduism? Arundhati Roy had once said that Hinduism is nothing but a collection of rituals. Zakir Naik has said that Hinduism is not even a religion. 
 
Hinduism is all about following your dharma. The word “dharma” has been wrongly understood has “religion”. Since followers of Abrahmic religion adhere to their rule-book to its tee, they think that when Hinduism asks its followers to follow “dharma”, it means “following Geeta”. Let me elaborate on what exactly is dharma:
 
Dharma can be better understood as “righteousness”, or “right path” or “good moral behaviour”. Dharma is based on 4 pillars – Shruti, Smriti, Neeti, Mathi.
 
Shruthi is the collection of divine books like Vedas, Puranas, and Upnishads. As per Hinduism these are word of God. Unlike Abrahmic religion, please note that the content Shruti is very deep. Average Hindu cannot even tell the title of all the vedas, upnishads and puranas.
 
Smriti is the philosophy/thinking of various sages. Manusmriti/Thirukural are two prominent smritis. These books are not word of God. While Manusmriti has been heavily criticized for its treatment of women and dalits, we cannot abandon the book altogether. A lot of deep Indian value such giving importance to matha-pitha-guru, or treating guest as god, etc come from Manusmriti. Manusmriti also covers important aspect of life concerning marriage, adoption, wealth-after-death. In this regard it is a lot like Koran. Infact just as Koran has harsh treatment towards Kufrs and Shirq, Manusmriti does the same towards Shudras.
 
Neethi is the law of the land. In present case this would be the constitution.
 
Mathi is your own wisdom and intellect.
 
The last pillar is very interesting as your mathi and my mathi will be very different. My mathi might say there is only one God. Your mathi may say that there is no God. For this reason, my dharma and your dharma will be different. My dharma might dictate that I go to temple every week. Your dharma may dictate you to help beggars outside the temple. My mathi might prefer Shiva idol, while your Mathi might prefer Ram idol. In all these cases, we are all following our dharma and there is no inherent conflict. For this reason I am not going to persecute the atheist or Ram bhakt. For the same reason, I can partially reject Manusmriti which does not agree with Neeti and my Mathi – and not be blasphemous. This leads to the important philosophy of “live and let live” and that “there are many routes to God/Nirvana”
 
Please note that form of God is not an important topic. God is supposed to be formless, omnipresent. But in order to channel your bhakti you can take any object and make it your focus of worship. When I say any idol it can be animal (rat/monkey/elephant) or human form or even part of a human. Lingum in ancient India was not considered something to be ashamed of. It was thought to represent a powerful force responsible for creation. So to say that Hindus are worshipping stones, animals and trees is like saying that Christians are worshipping a torture/capital punishment device as the cross was often used by Romans to torture/kill criminals.
 
Abrhamic religion is so concerned about form factor of God that sometimes they lose track of godliness. In an attempt to convince others of their view of God’s form, they end up commiting the most ungodly acts like violence, coercion and deceit. As if this was not enough, they justify it in the name of “spreading the word of God”. Inadvertnelty they are playing into the hands of devil. As per their own religion, Devil is a cunning force, who will often present himself to weak man and masqaurade as God. Given the ungodly activities perpetrated by Muslims for instance, it is quite possible that it was Devil who spoke through Angel Gabriel to Mohammad. 

I do like your posts but I think you have got it wrong about sex. Sex is a form of love and love is a form of bhakti. So sex can’t stop your purification, it can help you in it if you love the person you’re making love to.

Zakir sahab atsalamwalikum One Hindu friend asked me questions which was dumbfounded you must answer these questions as they are very crucial . today or tomorrow we Muslim boys will also ask you this same questions , you cannot turn away ,answer us please .these subjects are very tough to understand it will need great conviction and resilience and intelligence to understand this tough topics which even the ordinary Hindu do not understand .how will you?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? MY CONSCIENCE THEREFORE GIVES ME THE GUTS TO LEAVE ISLAM AFTER READING THE HINDU PHYLOSOPHY AND UNDERSTANDING THE SCIENCE OF SPIRIT WHICH NEITHER NO RELIGION OTHER THAN THE VEDAS HAVE THEREFORE IT IS HOME RETURN FOR ME .THE MUSLIMS ONE DAY WILL SURELY PONDER ON THIS MATTER AND LEAVE ISLAM .
You miss a very simple point that needs very little common sense.ALL FIGHT IS ABOUT WHICH RELIGION IS SPIRITUALLY CORRECT , SO THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE UNDERSTANDING OF SCIENCE OF SPIRIT IN ANY RELIGION OTHER THAN VEDAS ?
What Christians and Muslims will say ours is a perfect religion as it galvanises and harmonises matter and spirit ,in fact as per their understanding spirit is some kind of blob that needs a body and entering which it is able to perform its activity, and after death he gets a body but a permanent one ,whose conceptions are taken from their very earthly experiences, but is permanent by nature , in fact Vedas state it is only under spell of illusion that one understands this way , in face Vedas say that soul is non matter it is by force of false ego he is turned away from his eternal service too god, therefore acquires a illusory body of make believe in the dualities of male and female by his birth in the material world , a manifestation of false ego or self independent enjoyer .
Vedas therefore says
1) Matter is different from spirit or in other words material body is different from the spiritual body.
2) Spirit is independent therefore it is the one that empowers the material body and senses to act ,and not vice versa
for one might sat it is darkness that gives darkness to light but we know as a fact it is light that gives illumination to darkness,.
3) Christians and Muslims will say ours is a perfect religion as it galvanises and harmonises matter and spirit but that is not possible it is an attempt to mix oil with water and trying to sell both as a package , in fact both do not mix.Vedas say spirit is the actuality of a person and his consciousness thinking himself to be his outside material body as his self this is his illusion. The material part of the creation is the perishable part of lords ownership and that is called “maya “ WHICH MEANS THAT WHICH APPEAR TO BE REAL BUT NOT REAL .all religions in the world have no understanding of any science beyond maya or matter or illusion .What ever islam explains or professes is not beyond their so called farcical concept of spirituality as a twin replicated understanding of whever they have experienced borrowed and modified from their experiences of the material worl of illusion or ” maya “.Fit to be rejected only.
4) Soul is absolutely different from the material body commands it own state of happiness called bliss therefore concepts of Adam , eve, 78 virgins penis or vagina cannot enter the spiritual realm , surely Islam Christianity are religion imagined and modified from the experiences of the material world od dullaties of male and female(principle of illusion),
5) The soul is “tatasta” in his illusory state and is sandwiched between matter and spirit , therefore negating the experience of his material self he transcendences to the complete experience of the soul this state of realisation s called spiritual realisation or “atma bodh or spirituality” this is a credible concept that neither Christianity nor Islam can explain , bringing severe unanswerable doubt in one mind , and once such understanding creeps in one is bound to leave these faiths outside the periphery of the Vedas , which gives you the correct interpretation of the spirit or spirituality.
6) How can therefore anyone come to the understanding of “SPIRITUALITY” when there is absolutely no understanding of spirit , if one gives a simple example there is two parts to a banana . the inside experience of the bananna , and the outside experience of bananna or the peal , an peron having no idea of the difference , will always mistake peal to be the actual banana and eat it without knowledge of the experience of the real side of the bannana . this is not one of the best examples , but to get it into the brains of people of little intelligence this is the only handy experience ,THE CONCEPT IN VEDAS IS SPIRIT IS THE ACTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF A PERSON , WHICH IS A MINISCULE PART OF LORD WHO IS SUPER SOUL OR SUPER SPIRIT , SO UNLESS ONE COME TO THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE SPIRIT HOW CAN THERE BE ANY EXPERIENCE OF THE SPIRIT ,SUPER SPIRIT OR GOD AND HIS SPIRITUAL RESIDENCE AGAIN COMPOSED OF SPIRIT AND NO WHERE SIMILAR THE MATERIAL WORLD.IN CHARECTER AND SPIRIT , IN COMPAIRED TO THE MATERIAL WORLD OR PRODUCT OF MALA OR ILLUSION.
7) OBVIOUSLY AS THERE CANNOT BE TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO A QUESTION , IF ONE IS CORRECT THE OTHER HAS TO BE WRONG , IF A PERSON SEES RELIGION ONLY AS AN INSTRUMENT TO UNDERSTAND GOD, IT WILL BE EASY TO GIVE UP HIS SENTIMENTS ATTACHED TO HIS ACCEPTED RELIGION THAT MAKES HIS BLOOD BOIL IF REFFERED TO AS WRONG FAITH , REALIZE ITS FALSITY AND GIVE IT UPR EXAMPLE SAW IS USED TO CUT WOOD THEREFORE A KNIFE IS SUTABLE INSTRUMENT , WHAT IS TO BE DONE THEREFORE DROP THE KNIFE, ACCEPT THE SAW.
SPIRITUALITY MEANS SCIENCE OR SCIENTIFIC UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRIT .NO SUCH UNDERSTANDING IN EITHER CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM,
1) ATMA BODH, OR SPIRITUAL REALISATION OR THE EXPERIENCE OF THE SELF AS A SPIRIT OR SOUL DIFFERENT FROM THE MATERIAL BODY OF COVERING ATTAINED BY A SOULS FALSE EGO .
2) ATMANAND, OR SPIRITUAL HAPPINESS ,THE TRANSFER OF CONSCIOUSNESS FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF INFERIOR SENSE ENJOYMENT WITH THE INSTRUMENT OF THE MATERIAL BODY, TO THE ELEVATION OR THE REALEASE OF THE SOUL FROM THE CONFINEMENT OF THE MATERIAL BODY MADE UP OF FALSE EGO TO THE BLISSFUL EXPERIENCE OF THE SOUL OR SPIRIT IN SERVING THE SUPERSPIRIT ETERNALLY AND NON ENDING BLISS.
3) ATMA SAMBHANDA GAYAN , OR THE CONSCIOUSNESS THAT LORD AND ME ARE ESSENTIALLY SPIRIT AND ME DUE TO THE SECONDARY COVERING OF MATTER HAVE IDENTIFIED WITH THE MATERIAL BODY AND NOT MY REAL SELF AND THE SUBJECT OF MY REAL SELF THE SUPERSOUL OR THE SUPER SPIRIT OF GOD AS THE NON VEDIC CULTURES UNDERSTAND .
4) BRAMHAGYAN, OR GOD AS AN OBJECT OF ALL SUPREME SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE .GOD IS ESSENSIALLY SPIRIT AND NOT COVERED WITH THE FALSE MATERIAL BODY, THEREFORE ONE COMMING FREE FROM THE COVERED CONCEPT OF THE MATERIAL BODY , THUS IN THE CURSCUMSTANCE OF EXPERIENCING THE TRUE SELF AS A SEPERATE SPIRIT NEGATING THE MATERIAL BODY .ONLY AND ONLY THEN EXPERIENCE THE BLISS OF GOD AS THE SERVED AND THE SELF AS AN ETERNAL SERVITOR IS POSSIBLE , THEREFORE WE SEE IN ALL FAITH THAT THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRIT . WHATEVER CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM UNDERSTAND AS SPIRITUALITY IS THE SAME OLD DESEASE OF THE MATERIAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE SELF AS ETERNALLY TO BE ACHIEVED AFTER DEATH , AS ADAM AND EVE, ETERNAL SEX, OPPORTUNITIES OF ENDLESS SENSE ENJOYMENT AND SO ON ALL WHICH ARE THE MATERIAL BODY RELATED UNDERSTANDING AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SPIRIT OR SOUL.
5) ATMA SAKSHADKAR , TO SEE ONE, OWN SPIRITUAL FORM OR EXPERIENCING OWN ON SPIRITUAL SELF , NEGATIING THE MATERIAL PERISHABLE DECAYING NON SUSTIANABLE SELF , OR SEEING ONE SELF SEPERATE FROM THE MATERIAL BODY MADE FROM EARTH , FIRE , WATER , EATHER AND AIR . THIS IS THE PRE STEP BEFORE ONE ENTERS THE SIXTH STEP OF SASWAT DARSHAN OR SEEING “ATMAN” AND “PARMATMAN” OR HIMSELF AND GOD AS SEPERATE FROM MATTER AND INTERPLAY OF AROUSING SENSES , THE DUAL OR ILLUSION IDENTIFYING HIMSELF FROM THE MATERIAL MALE AND FEMALE BODY . SUCH DUALITIES OR PERVERSIONS IMPOSED BY GOD ON HUMAN IS FOR ENABLE HIM TO REALISE AND FREE HIMSELF FROM THE ILLUSORY PERVERTED CONCEPT OF MALE AND FEMALE ONES SEEING SELF APART FROM THESE SELF CREATED DUALITIES BORN OF FALSE EGO .
6) SASWAT DARSHAN OR BLISSFULL VISION OF SPIRITUAL ABODES AND GODS SPIRITUAL FORM . AS THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRIT IN CHRIASTINATY OR ISLAM , THEREFORE THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRITUAL ABODES OF GOD WHIS CONSTITUTED OF SPIRIT AS WELL ,WHICH IS CALLED AS VAIKUNTHA AND GOLOK .
THEREFORE AS WE SEE WITHOUT THE SELF REALISATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL AS A SOUL OR SPIRIT NEGATING THE MATERIAL SELF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RELATE THE SECRETS OF SPIRITUALITY .
BHAGWAT PURAN explains the character of the soul
BHAGWAT PURAN 8:3 24 He is neither demigod nor demon, neither human nor bird or beast. He is not woman, man, or neuter, nor is He an animal. He is not a material quality, a furtive activity, a manifestation or non manifestation. He is the last word in the discrimination of “not this, not this,” and He is unlimited.
SPIRITUALITY COMES FROM THE WORD SPIRIT THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENCE OF SPIRIT AND MATTER IN ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY
1)“”Spirituality”” comes from the word spirit ,
2) “”Spirituality”” therefore means science of the spirit
3) “”Spirituality”” means that i am the spirit ,god is spirit , and i am not the material being composed of the perishable body of male and female,
Spirituality means that the material body is not the real self and the spirit or spiritual form is the actual form covered by the material form constituted by the collective force and compulsiveness and obstinacy of the souls in false ego . To be an independent god,
4) Therefore understand spirituality there must be a differential understanding between matter and spirit ,Spirit is one’s actual self of the person and the material body is the false illusory perishable covering and not his real self. This is called as “vigyan” or “self realisation” “atma bodh “ or the experience or the bliss of the soul or higher happiness .A person enjoying the bliss of the soul which is a higher happiness cannot get attracted again to lower bodily happiness related with the material body , therefore concept of male or female , sex , penis or vagina cannot enter the spiritual residences. It is a perverted understanding like the impression of a second moon , stemming from the very one’s experiences of the material world. Although Christians call it “soul” and Muslims call it “Ru” , but that does not at all give the understanding or the experience of the soul ,
Spirit means a character and a world separate and different from the matter in a state of illusion the soul stays within matter or the material body and in a liberated state it is independendent of his dual state experiencing his pure state as a soul that is different in character and likes and conditions of the material body.
What Christians and Muslim brothers will say .
, THAT OUR FAITH MAINTAINS A BALANCE BETWEEN MATTER AND SPIRIT , ACTUALLY THEY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF EITHER MATTER OR SPIRIT . which in both Islam and Christianity is just something which needs a medium ,agent or a body to enter and enjoy , therefore both Islam and Christianity picking up their experiences of the material body and imagines that after the death of the present temporary body the soul will enter a new permanent body of male and female which will have permanent characteristics of the temporary body. Vedas say this is not a proper understanding as, the soul is independent and different from the material body , it is a separate body trapped by covering of a temporary illusory material body or illusion and coming out of it as separate by sadhana is the ultimate goal experience o the soul . Therefore the soul enjoys and commands it’s own character of happiness called as bliss , but since it is covered by the material body in the form of ignorance , He imagine sin heavenly jannat he will achieve alter death another material body similar but permanent body ,which will be medium of permanent enjoyment for the soul , this is fallacious and not in accordance to our scriptures. Experiencing the bliss of the soul is in overhauling and defeating the ignorance of the material body is called “STATE OF LIBERATION ”liberation for he soul or from understanding or consciousness of being the material body to the consciousness that he is not the material body to the consciousness or complete understanding or experience for the soul in its original independent and liberated form there is no illusion of the material body composed oF eight elements they are
EARTH, WATER, FIRE, EATHER, AIR ,MIND AND INTELLIGENCE. THAT FURTHER EXPAND TO A TOTAL OF 26 ELEMENTS
THE CONSCIOUSNESS ORDER OF CREATED BEINGS FROM INANIMATE TO HUMANS BASED ON HIS DEGREE OF CONSCIOUSNESS OF SPIRIT , AS ONLY IN HUMAN FORM OF LIFE ONE CAN EXPERIENCE BY SHIFTING HIS CONSCIOUSNES FROM MATTER TO SPIRIT.
BHAGWAT PURAN
SB 3.29.28 — Living entities are superior to inanimate objects, O blessed mother, and among them, living entities who display life symptoms are better. Animals with developed consciousness are better than them, and better still are those who have developed sense perception.
SB 3.29.29 — Among the living entities who have developed sense perception, those who have developed the sense of taste are better than those who have developed only the sense of touch. Better than them are those who have developed the sense of smell, and better still are those who have developed the sense of hearing.
SB 3.29.30 — Better than those living entities who can perceive sound are those who can distinguish between one form and another. Better than them are those who have developed upper and lower sets of teeth, and better still are those who have many legs. Better than them are the quadrupeds, and better still are the human beings.
SB 3.29.31 — Among human beings, the society which is divided according to quality and work is best, and in that society, the intelligent men, who are designated as brāhmaṇas, are best. Among the brāhmaṇas, one who has studied the Vedas is the best, and among the brāhmaṇas who have studied the Vedas, one who knows the actual purport of Veda is the best.
SB 3.29.32 — Better than the brāhmaṇa who knows the purpose of the Vedas is he who can dissipate all doubts, and better than him is one who strictly follows the brahminical principles. Better than him is one who is liberated from all material contamination, and better than him is a pure devotee, who executes devotional service without expectation of reward.
SB 3.29.33 — Therefore I do not find a greater person than he who has no interest outside of Mine and who therefore engages and dedicates all his activities and all his life — everything — unto Me without cessation.
SB 3.29.34 — Such a perfect devotee offers respects to every living entity because he is under the firm conviction that the Supreme Personality of Godhead has entered the body of every living entity as the Supersoul, or controller.
SB 3.29.35 — My dear mother, O daughter of Manu, a devotee who applies the science of devotional service and mystic yoga in this way can achieve the abode of the Supreme Person simply by that devotional service.
SB 3.29.36 — This puruṣa whom the individual soul must approach is the eternal form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is known as Brahman and Paramātmā. He is the transcendental chief personality, and His activities are all spiritual.
A CONSCIOUSNESS OF A MAN IN UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRIT MEASURES HIS ELEVATED CONCIOUSNESS BEGINNING FROM PLANTS AND ANIMALS WHICH ARE ALMOST NILL IN THE EXPERIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING O SPIRIT .ACCHADITA CHETANA THE NEXT LEVEL IS THE CATEGORY TO WHICH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS BELONG , EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK JAIVA DHARMA READ ON

SCRIPTURES REFRENCE JAIVA DHARMA CHAPTER 16 AND BHAGWAT PURAN .
Vrajanatha: What is the function of the pradhana?
Babaji: When Isvara�s endeavor, represented by Time (kala), stimulates maya-prakrti, it first creates the unmanifest aggregate of the material elements (mahat-tattva). Matter (dravya) is created by the stimulation of the faculty of maya called pradhana. False ego (ahankara) is born from a transformation of mahat-tattva, and space (akasa) is created from a tamasika transformation of the false ego. Air is created from a transformation of space, and fire is created from a transformation of air. Water is then created by the transformation of fire, and earth is created by the transformation of water. This is how the material elements are created. They are called the five gross elements (panca-maha-bhutas).
Now hear how the five sense objects (panca-tanmatra) are created.� Kala (time) stimulates the faculty of prakrti called avidya and creates the tendencies within the mahat-tattva for karma and jnana. When the karma propensity of mahat-tattva is transformed, it creates knowledge (jnana) and activities (kriya) from sattva and rajo-gunas respectively. Mahat-tattva is also transformed to become ahankara. Intelligence (buddhi) is then created from a transformation of ahankara. Sound (sabda) which is the property of space (akasa) is created from the transformation of buddhi. The property of touch (sparsa) is created from the transformation of sound, and it includes both touch, quality of air, and sound, quality of space. Prana (life-air), oja (energy), and bala (strength) are created from this quality of touch. From a transformation of touch the property of form and color in illuminating objects is generated.� Fire has three qualities, namely, form, touch and sound.� When this quality is transformed by time, it is transformed into the four qualities, taste (rasa), form, touch and sound in water.When they are further transformed, the result is the five qualities in earth which are smell (gandha), taste, form, touch and sound. All the activities of transformation take place by the appropriate aid of the purusa in His form of consciousness (caitanya).
There are three kinds of ahankara: vaikarika (sattvika), taijasa (rajasika), and tamas. The material elements are born from sattvikaahankara, and the ten senses are born from rajasika- ahankara.� There are two types of senses: those for acquiring knowledge (jnana-indriya) and the working senses (karma-indriya). The eyes, ears, nose, tongue and skin are the five senses for acquiring knowledge; and speech, hands, feet, anus and genital are the five working senses. Even if the five gross elements (panca-maha-bhuta) combine with the subtle elements (suksma-bhuta), there is still no activity unless the atomic, conscious jivaenters into them. As soon as the anu-cit-jiva, who is a localized particle within the ray of Bhagavan�s glance, enters into the body made of maha-bhuta and suksma-bhuta, all the activities are set in motion. Thesattvika and rajasika gunas become fit to function when they combine with tamasika objects that are a transformation of pradhana. One should deliberate on the functions of avidya and pradhana in this way.�There are twenty-four elements of maya: the five gross elements (maha-bhutas), namely, earth, water, fire, air and space; the five sense-objects, namely smell, taste, form, touch and sound; the five senses for acquiring knowledge; the five working senses; mind; intelligence; citta; and ahankara.
These are the twenty-four elements of material nature. The atomic conscious jiva who enters into the body made of twenty-four elements is the twenty-fifth element, and Paramatma Isvara is the twenty-sixth.
Vrajanatha: Please tell me, how much of the human body, whose size is three and a half cubits (seven spans) is occupied by the subtle cover, and how much by the gross cover; and in which part of the body does the conscious jiva reside?
Babaji: The five gross elements, the five sense-objects (pancatanmatra), and the ten senses altogether comprise the gross body.� The four elements � mind, intelligence, citta, and ahankara � form the subtle body, or linga-sarira. The conscious jiva is the one who falsely relates to the body and objects related to the body as �I� and �mine�, and due to that misidentification has forgotten his true nature. He is extremely subtle and beyond mundane space, time and qualities. In spite of being very subtle, he pervades the entire body. Just as the pleasurable effect of a minute drop of hari-candana spreads all over the body when it is applied to one part, so the atomic jiva, too, is the knower (ksetra-jna) of the whole body, and the experiencer of its pains and pleasures.
Vrajanatha: If the jiva performs karma, and experiences pains and pleasures, where is the question of Isvara�s active involvement?�
Babaji: Jiva is the instrumental cause, and when he performs karma, Isvara acts as the efficient cause and arranges for the fruits of the karma that the jiva is eligible to enjoy. Isvara also arranges for the futurekarma for which the jiva has become eligible. In short, Isvara awards fruits, while the jiva enjoys them.
Vrajanatha: How many types of baddha-jivas are there?
Babaji: There are five kinds, namely, those whose consciousness is completely covered (acchadita-cetana); those whose consciousness is shrunken or contracted (sankucita-cetana); those whose consciousness is budding slightly (mukulita-cetana); those with developed
consciousness (vikasita-cetana); and those with fully developed consciousness (purna-vikasita cetana).
Vrajanatha: Which jivas have completely covered consciousness?
Babaji: These are jivas with the bodies of trees, creepers, grass, stone and so on, who have forgotten service to Krsna, and are so engrossed in the material qualities of maya that they have no trace of their sentient nature. There is only a slight indication of their sentience through the six transformations. This is the lowest stage of the jiva’s fall, and this fact is corroborated by the epic stories of Ahalya, Yamalarjuna, and Sapta-tala. One only reaches this stage because of some grave offense, and one can only be delivered from it by Krsna’s mercy.
Vrajanatha: Which jivas have contracted consciousness?
Babaji: Beasts, birds, snakes, fish, aquatics, mosquitoes, and various similar creatures have shrunken or contracted consciousness. The consciousness of these jivas is apparent to some degree, unlike that ofjivas in the previous group, whose consciousness is completely covered. For example, these jivas perform activities such as eating, sleeping, free movement, and quarrelling with others for things that they consider their property. They also show fear, and they become angry when they see injustice. However, they have no knowledge of the spiritual world. Even monkeys have some scientific understanding in their mischievous minds, for they have some idea of what will or will not happen in the future, and they also have the quality of being grateful. Some animals have good knowledge about various objects, too, but despite all these attributes, they do not have a propensity for inquiring about Bhagavan, so their consciousness is contracted. It is said in sastra that Maharaja Bharata still had knowledge of the names of Bhagavan, even while he was in the body of a deer, but this is unusual; it only happens in special cases. Bharata and King Nrga had to take birth as animals because of their offenses, and they were delivered when their offense was nullified by Bhagavan’s mercy.
Vrajanatha: Which jivas have slightly budding consciousness (mukulita-cetana)?
Babaji: Conditioned jivas with human bodies fall into three categories: those with slightly budding consciousness (mukulitacetana), those with developed consciousness (vikasita-cetana), and those with fully developed consciousness (purna-vikasita-cetana). Generally, the human race can be divided into five groups: 1) immoral atheists, 2) moral atheists, 3) moral theists, who have both morals and faith in Isvara, 4) those who are engaged in sadhanabhakti, and 5) those who are engaged in bhava-bhakti. Those who are knowingly or unknowingly atheists are either immoral or moral atheists. When a moral person develops a little faith in Isvara, he is called a moral theist. Those who develop interest in sadhana-bhakti according to the tenets of sastra are called sadhana-bhaktas, and those who have developed some unalloyed love for Isvara are called bhava-bhaktas. Both immoral and moral atheists have slightly budding consciousness; moral theists and sadhana-bhaktas have developed consciousness; and the bhavabhaktas have fully developed consciousness.
THE HIGHER IS A PERSON IN THE UNDERSTANDING OR EXPERIENCE AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF A SOUL DETERMINES HIS ELEVATEDNESS IN “SPIRITUALITY”

1) acchadita-cetana plants and animals NO EXPERIENCE OF SOUL
2) sankucita-cetana those although in human birth still having the consciousness like an animal attracted to sex and beastly qualities related to the material body . NO EXPERIENCE OF SOUL ALTHOUGH WITHIN A HUMAN BODY
3) mukulita-cetana people with slight consciousness o the soul the ordinary hindus.yogis and gyanis PARTIAL EXPERIENCE OF THE SOUL
4) vikasita-cetana- -vaishnavas or practicing Vishnu devotees with higher consciousness.
FAIR CONSCIOUSNESS O THE SOUL
5)purna-vikasita cetana).- the elevated vaishnavas experiencing the complete understanding o the soul FULLY REGAINED CONSCIOUSSNESS OF THE EXPERIENCE OF THE SOUL OR A ULLY LIBERATED PERSON .
For the soul or location in its original character of bliss independent free from the ignorance o the material body , Soul has a separate residence too where everything is permanent but nowhere similar to our experience o the material body of male and female. THIS IS CALLED AS”SPIRITUAL ABODES”
1) FOR IN THE MATERIAL WORLD OF IGNORANCE THERE ARE TWO PLAYES MALE AND FEMALE AND THERE INTERACTING AGENDA IS HAPPINESS OF PHYSICAL SEX.
2) IN THE SPIRITUAL ABODES THE WORLD OF TRUE SELF KNOWLEDGE THERE ARE TWO PLAYERS THE SPIRIT SOUL AND THE SPIRIT SUPERSOUL OR THE SUPER SPIRIT AND THEIR INTERACTING AGENDA IS DEVOTION O BLISS. O THE SERVER AND THE SERVED .THE HIGHER HAPPINESS.
Spirit is the real i . the material body composed of further 26 material elements beyond the 8 elements is not the real i the one that is other than the 26 elements and is different from the material body or “SAT , CHIT ANAND” is the real i . The soul and the super soul both are spirit. But the soul begin very small and infinitesimal gets covered by illusion or the material body.
INDIAN SCRIPTURES :Bhagwat puran 11:19:15
etad eva hi vijn’ânam na tathaikena yena yat sthity-utpatty-apyayân pas’yed bhâvânâm tri-gunâtmanâm
TRANSLATION
When one no longer sees the twenty-eight separated material elements, which arise from a single cause, but rather sees the cause itself, the Personality of Godhead – at that time one’s direct experience is called vijn’âna, or self-realization.
Vedas therefore say we are spirit and not the material body composed of 8 Diversifying into 26elements this understanding is no where other than Vedas , Vedas singles out that thing , calls it as atma , although Christians call it spirit, Muslims call it as ru, but there is no differential understanding ,as to
1) What is the character of soul, how is it different from the material body or the false covering.
2) What is the souls relation with the Super soul or the supreme father
3) What are the permanent Spiritual abodes or residences.
Vedas say spirit is absolutely different from the material body with no similarity, souls character is ”sat chit anand”or Eternity knowledge and bliss, and exactly opposite to the material body which a false reflection is “asat achit and niranand” or non Eternal ignorance and material happiness and distress born of that understanding
vedas say
1) Spirit is the real form and actual identity of a person. His real self or body of knowledge
2) Material body is a covering of illusion covering the spirit .Not his real self, or body of ignorance.
CHARECTER OF THE SOUL ATMA SAT CHIT ANAND SOUL IS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY ENJOYS AN INDEPENDENT HAPPINESS CALLED BLISS
Soul is as much different from as oil is to water. But islam and Christianity sell Oil mixed with water .
Note :As Oil and and water are two separate entities so is the soul and the material body are different and have separate characteristics , oil does not need to enter into water to perform its activity , as both do not mix. Therefore the soul in an independent state o knowledge does not need to enter the body of male and female , but enters the illusory body in the state of illusion this called as conditioned state of false ego, this outward creation is empowered by god to enable the soul to come out of his state of false ego or illusion or illusory body .THIS IS THE PURPOSE O LORDS CREATION “ Therefore The state o awaken consciousness and state of dreaming
ॐ असतो मा सद्गमय । तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय । मृत्योर्मा अमृतं गमय । ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥
Om Asato Maa Sad-Gamaya |Tamaso Maa Jyotir-Gamaya | Mrtyor-Maa Amrtam Gamaya | Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

Meaning:
1: Om, (O Lord) Keep me not in the Unreality (of the bondage of the Phenomenal World), but lead me towards the Reality(of the Eternal Self),
2: (O Lord) Keep me not in the Darkness (of Ignorance), but lead me towards the Light (of Spiritual Knowledge),
3: (O Lord) Keep me not in the (Fear of) Death (due to the bondage of the Mortal World), but lead me towards the Immortality (gained by the Knowledge of the Immortal Self beyond Death),
4: Om, (May there be) Peace, Peace, Peace (at the the three levels – Adidaivika, Adibhautika and Adhyatmika).

Like how in a dream one creates a flimsy world of his own which is temporary and not real similarly the soul covers himself with the covering of material understanding , the material world in which he lives is his first covering of illusion or the first state of dream and the second state of dreaming is while he is asleep in both cases he creates a false temporary word and thinks it as real , while the second state of dreaming is flimsy and can be broken by sheer large sound, but second state is difficult to break and very real like and in that state of illusion one even imagines the spiritual world is nothing but another world providing permanent fruit of the material world. This is ignorance sold by other religions other the Vedas .It i only and only through vedic understanding that one can transcend his consciousness from matter to spirit .This is “SPIRITUALITY”.according to vedic terminiology.

The first state of dreaming- The material world is the primary state of dreaming for the soul perverted by material understanding

The second state of dreaming- The second state o dreaming is the dream world he creates while asleep .

While the second state is very fragile a mere sound can wake him up and break the spell, but the primary state is very real ,can be broken only through Vedic understanding and nothing else .
The third state of conscioness or the experience o the soul minus material understanding is called as the” liberated” state or “ turiya avastha”

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Three Avasthas or state of ignorance .

In Svapna a man becomes a king, enjoys all the pleasures that can be desired for; afterwards, he is defeated by the enemy, he goes to the forest and practises austerities. Then he dreams that he is a beggar. Within half an hour, he imagines that he has lived for eighty years. He dreams that he is bitten by a snake and is dead. He opens his eyes now out of fear, knows that everything is a dream only. Just as when awake, a man does not perceive the things he saw in his dream, so also a sage perceives not the universe when he gets knowledge of Brahman.

As soon as you wake up, the dream becomes unreal. The waking state does not exist in the dream. Both dream and waking state are not present in deep sleep. Deep sleep is not present in dream and waking state. Therefore all the three states are unreal. They are caused by the three qualities, Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. Brahman or the Absolute is the silent witness of the three states. It transcends the three qualities also. It is pure bliss and pure consciousness. It is existence Absolute.

A SOULS FALL
Vedas by a process of negation declares , that if god is the giver of all happiness, then the true , single and utmost must happiness must come directly from that person himselfand not for anything else . And that is the greatest happiness of the soul , as an entity of server and the served this gives extreme delight to the lord and the soul .THIS IS IN VEDIC TERMINIOLOGY IS CALED AS SPIRITUAL HAPPINESS OR BLISS, OR THE COMPLETE ETERNAL UNDERSTANDING AND EXPERIENCE OF THE SOUL..
In vedic experience there is the “spiritual abodes “and spirit is neither male or female therefore the question of them existing there in a male and female body Adam and Eve does not exist .
A souls endless experience of being independent rather than being a servant of the lord and the thought of being eternally independent thinking that his experience of happiness can be multiplied if independent and without serving god who is the centre of all experience, This is called as Ahankar of vivarta or covering of illusion . God empowers his illusion or material understanding so that through the path of Vedas only and by the process of negation and rejection and ultimately pure devotion , he can come out of this illusion ,overcome illusion and get unified in his blissful service again ,the aspect of illusion which binds him also pave way for liberation for the soul. Again this realistic concept is in Vedas only.
RIBIRTH
It is this disqualification of experiencing the experience of the soul that he is subjected bondage of rebirths in 84 lakh species of life .Which can be experienced in Vedic way only.

PURE EXPERIENCE OF THE SOUL IS POSSIBLE IN HUMAN BIRTH ONLY.
This experience is there in vedic philosophy only as there is no differential understanding of material body and the spirit .The process of coming of this illusory self and getting situated in spiritual bliss is called as liberation or liberation from illusion of duality. A liberated soul is therefore never subjected to rebirth .he as soul leaving the material body in the material body goes permanently to serve the lord in his “SPIRITUAL ABODE”. This is called as liberation. “SOULS BLISS OF SERVING THE SUPERSOUL ETERNALLY”.

Islam says soul is a consciousness that needs a body as a vehicle to perform activates . it enters into a body and enjoys . Vedas do not say that way Vedas say soul is different from the material body and also independent .Islam says that Allah blew in the male body “rue” or spirit and no other person neither female or animals  possess that rue or spirit. This is most absurd and needs only some common sense as without the empowerment of and entry of the soul no material object can take a form , no species can act or perform in act it is the soul which gives power to intelligence and mind too which also is material and need the spirit to empower it. Which means the spirit has his own spiritual intelligence which gets covered but the material mind and intelligence identifying himself as a material body of male and female . Spirit is existent into only in all species, it is also present in material objects too .AS THE SUPERSOUL OR GOD IS PRESENT EVERYWHERE IT IS ALSO PRESENT IN MATERIAL OBJECTS TOO

1) Proof that spirit is within animals too . for example what inspires a small insect as a mosquito to fly away when one goes to kill it, what inspires a snake to hunt for food
2) Proof that spirit is within material objects. It is the part of lord in form of bliss or Brahman . that also provides taste within objects in form of various tastes . SIGHT, SMELL,TASTE, TOUCH AND SOUND .

Character of material body separate from the spirit. The reflected person
1) ASAT that what is perishable. An illusory body
2) ACHAIT that has no life no consciousness , maintained by the spirit , the spirit leaves and the body dies.
3) NIRANAND – That which is maintained by the soul which is the original bliss and empowers the material body and in state of illusion enjoys a reflected sub product of bliss experienced in form of sense gratification.
The blissful soul empowers the senses and the soul experiences the perverted form of reflected happiness in the form of illusory sense gratification.

Character of the spirit different from the material body. The original person, separate and independent from the material body
1) SAT- that which is not perishable . the real original person
2) CHIT the living eternal conscience, the reservoir of all knowledge providing power to material intelligence. and mind . The maintainer of the material body .
3) ANAND- the original bliss , soul commands its independent happiness in form of bliss , experiencing that original bliss which is called coming back to, or reverting back his original consciousness or bliss.This is also called the state of liberation , that he or she is the soul not the material body

SPRIT IS DIERENT ROM THE MATERIAL BODY

Srimad Bhagavat Mahapuran. Canto 8: Withdrawal of the Cosmic Creations

Chapter 16: Executing the Payo-vrata Process of Worship. Text 19

क्व देहो भौतिकोऽनात्मा क्व चात्मा प्रकृतेः परः । कस्य के पतिपुत्राद्या मोह एव हि कारणम् ॥१९॥

kva deho bhautiko ‘nātmā kva cātmā prakṛteḥ paraḥ kasya ke pati-putrādyā moha eva hi kāraṇam

kva — where is; dehaḥ — this material body; bhautikaḥ — made of five elements; anātmā — not the spirit soul; kva — where is; ca — also; ātmā — the spirit soul; prakṛteḥ — to the material world; paraḥ — transcendental; kasya — of whom; ke — who is; pati — husband; putra-ādyāḥ — or son and so on; mohaḥ — illusion; eva — indeed; hi — certainly; kāraṇam — cause.

Text
Kasyapa Muni continued: What is this material body, made of five elements? It is different from the spirit soul. Indeed, the spirit soul is completely different from the material elements from which the body is made. But because of bodily attachment, one is regarded as a husband or son. These illusory relationships are caused by misunderstanding.
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A person enjoying the bliss of the soul which is a higher happiness cannot enjoy lower bodily , the concept of male or female , sex , penis or vagina cannot enter the spiritual residences. . Vedas instructs the process of Rejection of that which is material or”na iti –not this not this. Vedas therefore takes one through a tour of illusion or material happiness as temptations and establishes himself in the service of god and god only as the highest pryojan or goal of dharma , THE TWO PLAYERS O SPIRIT THE SOUL AND THE SUPERSOUL AND THE BLISSULL RELATIONSHIP OF THE SERVER AND THE SERVED.
1) A soul under the spell of false ego identifies with the material body and the different forms of sense gratification the highest of which is sex this is called as “ MATERIAL HAPPINESS “material happiness has to players the illusory male and female body,
2) A Soul is different from the body therefore enjoys a different science a different character
And “SPIRITUAL HAPPINESS”. Spiritual happiness called bliss have two players soul and supersoul and the bliss or higher happiness is devotion or bliss achieved from devotion.
Therefore we see that Islam and Christianity THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF SPIRITUALITY IS ANOTHER MATERIAL LIKE BODY WHICH IS PERMENANT PAY NATURE THEREFORE IMAGINE ENDLESS SEX WHICH DOES NOT EXIST IN SPIRIT.

SCRIPTURAL PROOF THE BHAGWAT GITA CHAPTER 2 SANKHAYA YOG Verse 23

नैनं छिन्दन्ति शस्त्राणि नैनं दहति पावकः . न चैनं क्लेदयन्त्यापो न शोषयति मारुतः २.२३

nainam chindanti shastrani nainam dahati pavakah na cainam kledayantyapo na sosayati marutah 2.23

न – not, एनम् – this(self), छिन्दन्ति – cleave, शस्त्राणि – weapons, न – not, एनम् – this(self), दहति – burns, पावकः – fire, न – not, च – and, एनम् – this(self), क्लेदयन्ति – wet, आपः – waters, न – not, शोषयति – dries, मारुतः – wind

Weapons cleave It not, fire burns It not, water moistens It not, wind dries It not.

In this verse the Changeless, Immutable, Self is being described by Lord Krishna in terms of the mutable and everchanging world which is very familiar to Arjuna and all people like us. In the world-of-change, objects come to their annihilation through instruments of death or they are consumed by fire or destroyed by water or dried up by air. These are the various cosmic means and methods by which the objects of the world come to their destruction. All these means are declared as impotent in bringing about the destruction of the Self because no instrument can hit or destroy an element subtler than itself. Fire cannot consume its essence (fiery nature), nor can it burn space in which it consumes things then how impotent it must feel when it tries to consume the cause of space, the Self? Water cannot enter the substance (like iron) that has no inter-spaces within it. Substance that is one homogeneous mass containing nothing other than itself, cannot be soaked by water. Self being all pervasive and subtlest water cannot soak it. Dehydration is possible only when there are some traces of water in the substance dehydrated. The Supreme Consciousness contains nothing other than Itself and therefore, annihilation through the process of dehydration is not possible.

Apart from this direct word-meaning, on the whole, the stanza indicates deeper significances which are better brought out in the next stanza, where Lord Krishna gives out how and why the truth is Eternal.

Verse 24

अच्छेद्योऽयमदाह्योऽयमक्लेद्योऽशोष्य एव च . नित्यः सर्वगतः स्थाणुरचलोऽयं सनातनः २.२४

acchedyo ’yam adahyo ’yam akledyo ’sosya eva ca nityah sarva-gatah sthanur acalo ’yam sanatanah 2.24

अच्छेद्यः – cannot be cut, अयम् – this(self), अदाह्यः – cannot be burnt, अयम् – this, अक्लेद्यः – cannot be wetted, अशोष्यः – cannot be dried, एव – also, च – and, नित्यः – eternal, सर्वगतः – all-pervading, स्थाणुः – stable, अचलः – immovable, अयम् – this, सनातनः – ancient

This Self cannot be cut, nor burnt, nor moistened, nor dried up. It is eternal, all-pervading, stable immovable and ancient.

If a thing cannot be annihilated by any of the known methods of destruction of nature, or those invented and perfected by man, then that given object must be everlasting. Here, in the second line, we have a series of qualities listed, indicating the Truth. Each word is chosen as a sequence to the previous one. That which has indestructibility, as indicated in the first line, should necessarily be everlasting (Nityah). That which is thus Eternal must be necessarily All-Pervading (Sarvagatah).

The Eternal truth envelops all, and the ALL-PERVADING has no shape, since that which has a shape is conditioned all along its outline by something other than itself. A truth that is thus Eternal (Nityah), Homogeneous and All-Pervading (Sarvagatah) must necessarily be “Stable” (Sthanuh) because no change can ever take place in it. That which is thus Stable must be “Firm” (Achalah); for, it cannot shake or move, since movement implies the transfer of a thing from one set of time and place to another set of time and place where it was not. Since the Self is All-pervading, there is no spot in space, or period in time, where It is not already, and therefore — just as I cannot move myself in myself — the Self cannot move anywhere. A motionless thing is indeed “Firm” (Achalah).

Here the two terms “Stable” (Sthanuh) and “Firm” (Achalah) may seem to be a tautology: both having almost the same meaning. But the former means stability at the base, as in the case of a banyan-tree. At the base of the trunk it is stable and yet at the top it is moving. Truth is ‘stable’ at the ‘base’ and ‘firm’ at the ‘top’. In Its Infinite glory, It has no movement anywhere.

Sanatanah — that which is ancient. . In its suggestiveness, the term Sanatanah implies that the Self is unconditioned by time and place. Perfection gained, whether it be in India, or at the North Pole, in the present generation, or in the chaste periods of the Vedic culture, in all places and at all times, by all seers, in all the religions of the world, the Self-experience at the time of God-realisation, can only be one and the same.

Q 13 Which Upanishad do the following verses echo? 2.19 and 2.20.
ya enam vetti hantaram yascainam manyate hatam ubhau tau na vijanito nayam hanti na hanyate ( 2.19)
na jayate mrityate va kadacit nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah ajo nityah sasvato yam purano na hanyate hanyamane sarire. ( 2.20)

The verses 2.19 and 2.20 echo the thoughts of Kathopanishad.

Q 14 What is the anology used in the Bhagavad Gita to explain transmigration?
vasmsi jirnani yatha vihaya navani grhnati naro parani tatha sarirani vihaya jirnani anyani samyati navani dehi.
Just as a man casts off his worn out clothes and puts on new ones, so also the embodied-self casts off its worn out bodies and enters others which are new. ( 2.22)

Q 15 List some of the qualities of the Self as enumerated in the second chapter.

अच्छेयोsयमदाह्योsयमक्लेद्योsशोष्य एव च | नित्यः सर्वगतः स्थाणुरचलोsयं सनातनः ||

accheyo’yamadahyo’ yamkledyo’sosya eva ca nityah sarvagatah sthanuracalo’yam sanatanah

This self cannot be cut, nor burnt, nor moistened, nor dried up. It is eternal, all pervading, stable, immovable and ancient ( 2.24 )

avyakto’yamchintyo’yamvikaro’yamuchyate tasmadevam viditvainam nanushochitumarhasi

अव्यक्तोsयमचिन्त्योsयमविकार्योsयमुच्यते | तस्मादेवं विदित्वैनं नानुशोचितुमर्हसि ||

This (Self) is said to be unmanifest, unthinkable and unchangeable. Therefore, knowing This to be such, you should not grieve. (2.25 )

REFER
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=2TpMnMHqDWIC&pg=PT310&lpg=PT310&dq=CHETANAS+CHETANANAM&source=bl&ots=6H4yj-idxM&sig=tfOKdx84o7rowzeTAgwwUGTNf1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTmdWYkPTKAhWBWo4KHU9bAXMQ6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=CHETANAS%20CHETANANAM&f=false

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/sri_krishna.htm CHARECTER OF SOUL AND THE SUPER SOUL . SUPERSOUL WITHIN THE SOUL GIVES POWER EVEN TO THE SOUL TO ACT

http://VANIQUOTES.ORG/WIKI/TRANSFORMATION_(SB_CANTOS_7_-_12)

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Very well written informative material meant well of a misled soul. Thank you, Maria Wirth.
Much love.

watch many youtube clips made by ex muslims, meaning there are closeted apostates in many lands. Also faithfreedom.org run by an Iranian PhD, Ali Sina, another former muslim runs a fine blog. Wafa sultan ,Ayaan Hirsi Ali are some other Ex muslims. What is interesting is that the muslims enjoy freedom of speech in non muslim lands. A guy like Zakir Naik enjoys so much freedom that he can even criticize hinduism and lives happily in India. Can anyone imagine a nonmuslim criticizing Islam and live safely in a muslim land, absolutely not. There is a death penalty for apostacy in many muslim lands. It is horrific that Saudi Arabia equated atheism with terrorism.

thank you. great explanation

I agree with you that our creator is indeed all merciful and the way you describe Allah, it shows you have bhakti. others may describe Ishwar or Bhagavan or God or… names don’t matter, in a similar way. There surely is only one Supreme Being and we all have to find ways to connect.
The Rishis say that the Supreme is in us and in all of creation and it makes sense to me. Yet if you believe that the Supreme is separate and you reach out to him it is also ok.
But there surely is no need for claims that can never be verified and which are harmful – like Christians say: if you are not baptised, you go to hell and Muslims say, if you don’t call the Highest by the name of Allah and follow what his prophet laid down you go to hell. Such claims will make the ‘believers’ look down on ‘non-believer’, though both groups are actually believers and equally dear to their creator.
why not use our intelligence to find out what we can know about the Supreme? Why rely on books? Truth is what is now and ever. It won’t fit into a book. Take help from books, but even more important is to ask the Supreme to help to live life in an ideal way.

Dear Seyawash,

Please watch youtube videos on ‘exmulims’ and ‘former muslims’ and know whats happening with enlightened muslims. They are simply leaving Islam.

.yes creator is merciful and loving, the thing is you call creator by one name others call the creator by a different name, for example hindus call by name Brahman. Now if you look at the contemporary world, militant factions likeTaliban,ISIS, Lashkare toiba,,Boko Haram, Alqaida and Jaishe mohammed hold quran as their moral guide. In the world currently a vast majority of violent organizations hold quran as their guiding light. (Whereas the indian maoists, on the other hand, disown religion.) Why is it that all above violent organizations shout allahho akbar before killing innocent people.

Peace Maria, we all believe that there is only one supreme creator who created everything and have u ever asked urself what’s the purpose of our creation why are we created what does he really wants from us? The only one who would really be able to answer this question is the creator himself cuz of that he sent us prophets with his revelations so if u believe in God so why don’t u believe in his revelations Quran is his last revelation which is also the miracle of miracles so if u don’t believe that it’s the revelation of the Almighty so read it and iam sure YOU ARE GOING TO BELIEVE so Sister life is short reading Quran doesn’t take years just try it u won’t lose anything 🙂

Sister , you told correctly that the rishies disclosed or presented their view as per their experience. they wrote many books like ramayana, mahabharata, manu smriti. all they achieved by their constantly study and their great experienes and we get their achievement in the form of religious books. but i have some question to you and hope u will answer to satisfy me.
1. as we always discuss that our first religion is “humanity”. to establish the humanity amongst human beings , this is compulsary that we should love and respect eac others.if we develop these thought in our heart then all human beings will be equal.
2. my question is that why god divided human beings into 4 categories. brahaman, chtriya, bashiyav and shoodra. shoodra was not treated as the human beings for many years. they can not take water from the well. if any one touch shodra ,he should take “ganga jl” to pure himself. i always think that “shoodra ” today known as low caste are human beings . we can not sit , eat together with them . Shoodra of india struggled for many years and low cast and higher cast is the example in india . peoples are valued according to their castism. can we establish the humanity amongst human beings if we follow such concept which we received from the experience of Rishis .
Thanks alot

I know sister that we all have our own ideas. Intelligence is something that everyone has and of course we have to use it but do u think that ur intelligence is on that level to recognise every single action that u do is right or wrong or to understand everything? Our intelligence depends on how much knowledge do we have and from where did we achieve that knowledge. And the verse that I quoted Ok sister suppose you have two children and they love to steal everything u tell to one of them don’t steal it’s not a good action but the other one continues stealing and when u ask him why? he says u didn’t tell me u told him not to steal. I hope u understand the example. I don’t know how much you know about Quran but read it with heart and and use ur intelligence 🙂 and also from other people who has more knowledge.

Dr.Terror Naik has been banned from entering Malaysia, Bangladesh, Britain and USA, may be more. He is running a hate organization and channel fomenting rage and contempt against non-muslims in the world.

Meanwhile in the muslim world hate goes on unabated, a bigger problem that is often ignored in India. “…On Monday, the Iranian leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei raised the stakes in the dispute by saying Saudi officials had “murdered” hajj pilgrims who were injured in the stampede. Saudi’s grand mufti countered by claiming that Iranians were “not Muslims”……”. There you go people. This is what it is in nutshell about the faith that is more political and least spiritual. The sunnis hate non sunni muslim sects, hindus, christians, buddhists and pretty much everybody.

‘Consciousness’ is a vague term?? manhaq your entire comment becomes waste when you say such a thing. The only worth that your comment has is to show people how an Islam-brainwashed brain thinks.

Only a brain high on Islam can come up with terms like “excessive spiritual power” and “spiritual exploitation”, etc. I have never in my life heard such terms and I doubt others have either. The reason why India has so many problems is because [most] people there, especially the educated ones, are not spiritually powerful. Spiritually strong people do not ignore others’ suffering. They help those who are suffering.

Maybe from “spiritual exploitation” you mean all those babas who fool people into shelling out money. Those fake babas are not spiritually powerful. They are materially powerful (that is, they know magic tricks that others don’t, and they know exactly what to say to followers to reign them in) but know how to masquerade as spiritually powerful. It is easy to detect their fakery. Anytime a baba shows you a magic trick and gives an impression that it is because of his “spiritual power”, you should know right there that he is a fake baba.

BTW, if India has a pathetic life and times because of “excessive spiritual power” (lol) then how do you explain the pathetic life and times of Pakistan. After all its citizens do submit and devote to Islam’s ‘super-intelligent’ Allah, don’t believe in other gods, and never ask questions. Pakistan too has not been attacked by US forces. Instead it has recieved hundreds of billions of aid through the last few decades. So why is life there miserable?

“….then the message from the Creator is that no human can claim divinity under any circumstances. This is the crux.”

This is a fundamental difference between Islam and Hinduism. According to Dharmic scriptures, the human being has the same divinity within him/her that is present in God. Where people err is in constantly forgetting that other humans too have the same divinity within them hence they should not exploit anyone, and help them instead (materially or spiritually). This is why I said earlier that spiritually strong people (those who don’t forget that others are divine too) only help others; they don’t exploit anyone, not even animals.

“His words are Truth, which is an outcome of man seeking Him throuh submission and devotion.”

What you wrote here is an example of how to package simple ideas in words so as to make them sound grand and awesome. All you have said is that people should simply submit to Muhammad’s god and obey his words (Quran and sunnah) without question. But your wording makes it sound special. The fake babas too know plenty such tricks. I wonder if they learn all this trickry from you, or do you learn from them? 🙂

“To guard man from his tendency of falling into the trap of false gods, stern warnings have issued by Allah. Why does he do so is a question that only Allah can answer?”

Right, you are not going to ask that question. You are not allowed to (Q 5:101-102)! You must obey unquestionly!

The above quote of yours is another example of playing with words to make them sound fancy. What it is doing is using fear tactics to keep Muhammadans stay in their wells, like frogs. Islam gives stern warnings against looking outside of the well (“Everything outside of this well is from Satan and if you look outside Satan’s gonna get ya”). Then it implies that asking questions is wrong, very wrong. Manhaq, stern warnings only work because human’s have this thing called FEAR in them. Muslims refuse to ask questions (and obediently obey) also because they FEAR that they would be doing something very wrong if they ask questions. Here is the problem though. Fear is a component of the human body (human psychology), not the soul. What if a person overcome fear itself (certainly possible)? Then Muhammad’s Allah cannot threaten him with anything.

In the hadiths it says that a sheet ate the paper (or leaves) that Allah’s original verses were written on. It was a fear filled verse about stoning women. The goat didn’t give a slightest damn about the Allah’s ‘stern warnings’ and threats of hellfire. It ate the verse and pooped it out a few hours later from its rear end. Allah and his threats could not do anything.

Manhaq, read the above quote of yours, read Quran 5:101-102, and Quran 33:36, and read about that goat incident again and again until it sinks into you that Muhammad’s Allah is himself a false being who uses threats and word-trickry to keep believers imprisoned in his well! He is not a ‘god’. He is some other false being (hint: Satan) who has fooled 1.5 billion humans, including you, into believing that everyone else is a false god. Good Luck.

the link does not work. could you resend it pls?

Or alternatively go to youtube.com and enter the following line in the search box:
Ex muslim says Muhammad was psychologically disturbed.

Very incisive article. I have learned a lot reading this.

Zakir Naik is a complete fake, just uttering mumbo-jumbo, and this proves that the thousands of people listening to him are even worse fools, know nothing at all.

I found this short video on youtube and watching it will explain what I am saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2745027165&feature=iv&src_vid=m7tenqQC7Zo&v=bk5q9TeGo14

Its the tendency of narrow minded people that they even find marks on fullmoon instead of looking it’s brightness. You are one of tham as your pointer is sticked on category of sanatan dharma.

Seyawash,

Kindly read faithfreedom.org. It is set up by an Iranian. Take up his challenge if you think you are right. You could get $50,000 if you prove him wrong.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/sinas-challenge/

This is a wonderful mutual backscratching club. It seems some people cannot live without Islam even if they have to propangadize to offer $50,000/- which of course they are never going to dish out.

In my very first paragraph, I have explained that the violence from Pakistan to Morocco (France/ Europe) is a result of US imperialism. Fakes are arguing philosophy ostensibly to browbeat Muslims with their (fake’s) high-brow ideas, but are clearly ignoring the visible reality on the ground. They are cynically asking why did the Syrians go to Europe to islamize them with their covered-up bodies, but are loathe to ask why US cannot stop fingering (by aerial bombs- no boot on the ground even to fight the ISIS because the latter are armed), other countries thousands of miles away to create a refugee crisis? So please don’t discuss violence as a relevant topic in religious discourse, if your religion has been able to impart slightest bit of morality.

About religious issues, nothing that you have said appeals to my reasoning but it seems you think of me as incapable of reasoning because I am a Muslim. What a way of discussion ! However because of my decency I don’t ridicule your religion and will not do. You should keep doing that to my religon and feel happy.

Discrimination is a common weakness in whole world. But Bharata has answers for it. Panchayat system was one of it. You should have representation from five important castes on panel to give verdicts.

Since Bharata was heavily decentralized, any discrimination was contained within a village but would not spread. Even Brahmans were discriminated many a times. Discrimination between classes in the caste also would have happened, like a panchama is discriminated by another panchama, A brahmin by another brahmin.

Shudras and Panchamas were more educated than others, one has to see the book Beautiful Tree by Dharma paal. He has compiled British census data of 1820’s and many other data which reflects status of education when they came to India.

One should also read the article from Truth Magazine Vol 80-No. 31 page 606, “The Shudras and the wealth of India” it contains data from 1901 British census. It shows wealth existed more with panchamas and Shudras. It is British policies which made everybody poor and uneducated.

Untouchability has two faces, A social one and dharmic one. Social untouchability is relaxed in DharmaShastras and smritis. But Dharmic untouchability is for everybody. If a Pancama is performing puja in his temple then a Brahmana in Ashauca cant come even near temple. A shishya cant touch his own Guru when Guru hasnt taken bath or in Ashaucha. This dharmic untouchability is for ones spiritual progress. Now even science is giving proofs that a persons mind has effect on external things like water etc. If people with one devata upasana live one place then the atmosphere behaves according to their whole minds. That will help all of them. See this noble laureate explaining about memory of water. It proves my last point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg.

Sarvebhyo subham bhooyaat,
My pranaams to Maria Amma.

‘@manhaq – I understand when you talk about the nexus of US for what is happening in the world today, involving Muslims. You are not entirely wrong but still there are few things about Spiritual Exploitation or Spiritual Power etc which accidental34 says makes complete sense. And I agree with him as well. Here was my response to Maria’s Article to “Terror in the Name of God”. Search by “Babylon” and you will find my inputs. Hope it will help you “bridge” the gap :-).

https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/terror-in-the-name-of-god/

As for this Article, my inputs to your comments are simply few simple points 🙂 ( Lets call Allah, Ishwar or God as Supreme because I am sure if you have your fundamentals right then there should be no question about the existence of the All Mighty Divine, who is Singular, Truth, All Merciful, Most Beautiful, and Unending Bliss and Happiness. At this point, in response to your post as well as Mr. Naik’s challenge on “Idol” worship or Ganesha being a God, there are in reality 33 crores mulitplied by 33 crores characteristics, attributes of this Supreme Being. So in order to make life easy for you, we will refer to Ishwar whom you call Allah as Supreme – who had no forms :-). Surprised to know that we have this concept of Supreme Being without a Form? 🙂 Well, Sanatan Dharma is as old as time 🙂 So expect some surprises 😀
Coming back to my few points.

1. Consider ourselves as children of the Supreme, in that way, we have a bit of Supreme in all of us. Just like you will have some Characteristics of your Father and Mother. So, if we start to search “who” we are we may find out “how” our Parent i.e the “Supreme” being is. This is what Hinduism wants every children (i.e humanity) to do. This being the logic, we do not believe that whoever has Supreme in them even as less as .5%, he or she cannot be “outcasted” as “others”. Sorry state of world, that Islam and Christians do so as Infeidels and Kaffirs.

2. In order to seach, one must ask questions, and there has to be something to “guide” you to your answer. Anything that imposes cannot guide. Imposing already is a “restrictive” concept. Do this! No! Don’t Do That!….To surrender to the “Guidance” is Faith. Without faith you cannot move ahead in your quest of self discovery. You do not commit a sin or become unfaithful by questioning the Supreme’s mind. You have all the right to ask your Parent, what does He want with you? I am sure the All Merifcul Supreme will be more than Happy to tell you what is your purpose on Earth. A child asking his Father what he is thinking is nothing wrong at all :-)..Just make sure that you do not place Mr. Naik and his type as your Father, I can assure you the Supreme will not be happy 🙂

3. Now as Children we are expected to do a little mischief, and considering whats going on in the world today we have all turned into very bad children, at least a lot of us ( Us refers to people of all religions). The more naughty as child is the more severe is the threat of Punishment 🙂 Like Hell or terrible torture for being Kaffirs of Infiedels. Maybe thats why Islam and Christianity does not consider Hinduism as a valid religion. There is no Hellfire Rod to discipline us. But, I am quite sure about their ignorance on the Law of Karma. They speak of it but do not understand it. Let me simply it for at least one person – You :-). You see our discipline works something like this – What you think, what you say and what you do – will eventually come back to you. It applies for both good and bad. In other words, there is no 3rd party to admonish us, we will be in heaven or hell “state” based on our own action.

For more information here is something I responded to Maria in an older post, hope it helps.

https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/22/of-course-hindus-wont-be-thrown-into-hell/

My friend, please study before u comment abt something that u r unaware of.
Cast system was divided on the basis of work and not by birth. Later on the Brahmins changed it for their own profit.
Don’t comment just anything to prove any other religion is bad or is having flaw because in Quran”Jannath” is defined like a brothel. It mainly emphasises over the sexual pleasure. I think its a flaw. I can bring up many points other than that. Even Quran does not believe in rebirth but there are cases of rebirth. So it means Quran is wrong or god has forgotten like human about the guidelines send by him

ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE FARCICAL FAITHS WITHOUT EVEN SIMPLE ANSWERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBjtHvizVQ&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1
Reincarnation – a global phenomenon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mozcpK1158
ISKCON Devotee stumps a Christian preacher

NO UNDERSTANDING OR HAVING ANY AYOTA OFUNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MATTER AND SPIRIT
CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENCE OF MATTER AND SPIRIT , THEREFORE THE CONCEPT OF GOD BEING SPIRIT . AND A PERSON ORIGINALLY BEING A SPIRIT , IS ABSENT
1) THEREFORE THE EVER BINDING ETERNAL SPIRIT OF THE BLISSFUL RELATIONSHIP OF GODOR ETERNAL DEVOTION IS ABSENT.
2) THE DIFFERENTAIL UNDERSTANDING OF MATERIAL WORLD AND SPIRITUAL ABODES ARE ABSCENT , THE BELIEF IS THAT I FOLLOW A CERTAIN FAITH AN LIEW OF WHICH I WILL BE TRANSPORTED TO THE “PARADICE OR JANNAT” AN ABSURD IMMAGINATION .
3) THE PROCESS OF EXTRICATING ONE SELF FROM THE SOULS OBSESSION AND ILLUSION WITH MATTER OR” LIBERATION “ IS ABSCENT
CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE LAW OF KARMA
2) CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE LAW OF KARMA THEREFORE NO CONCEPT OF REBIRTH AND AN OBVIOUS CONCEPT OF AN ANJUST GOD , WHO HAS NO ANSWERS WHY HE HAS GIVEN A SOUL A BIRTH IN A RICH KINGLY FAMILY AND WHY ANOTHER IN A POVERTY STRICKEN FAMILY , WHY THIS INJUSTICE , JUST BECAUSE HE HE FELT TO DO SO AT HIS OWN WHIMS , VEDAS SAY THAT A PERSON IS BORN TO A CERTAIN ENVIRONMENT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN KARMA OR ACTIONS OF HIS PREVIOUS BIRTH, THIS EXPLAINS PERFECTLY HIS PRESENT SITUATION ,AND ALL THAT HE INCURS IN HIS ENSUING LIFE ,GOING BY CHRISTIANS LOGIC OR ISMALIC LOGIC BOTH GIVES AN UNDERSTANDING OF AN UNFAIR GOD , WHY DOES GOD PLACE RICHARD IN A RICH FAMILY AND REHEMAN IN A POOR FAMILY OR VICE VERSE. THIS PLACES GOD AS A PRECARIOUS UNFAIR PERSON,  THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND ABSURD, VEDAS BELIEVE IN LAW OF KARMA OR ACTIONS OF HIS PREVIOUS BIRTH BY VIRTUE OF WHICH HE GETS A RESPECTIVE BODY FROM A MALE FEMALE AND EVEN LOWER SPECIES OF LIFE.
3) BOTH DO NOT BELIEVE OF GOD HAVING FORM , THIS IS MOST RIDICOLOUS . IS IS OBVIOUS WE CAN ENDERSTAND FROM SIMPLE LOGIC THAT A FATHER CAN GIVE HIS SON TRAITS ONLY THAT HE POSSESSES , THEN GOING BY THIS LOGIC IF GOD IS FORMLESS SO SHOULD BE HIS SON , BUT IF GOD HAS THE QUALITY OF BEAUTY ONLY AND ONLY THEN HE CAN GIFT IT TO HIS SON . AN ELEPHANTS OFFSPRING IS NOT A LION BUT AN ELEPHANT . ELEPHANTS OFFSPRING IS NOT A LION BUT AN ELEPHANT , AN ANTS OFFSPRING CAN NOT BE A PIG BUT CAT ONLY , A PIGS OFFSPRING CAN ONLY BE A PIG NOT A DOG, THEREFORE IT IS OBVIOUS LOGIC THAT SON CAN POSSES THE QUALITY ONLY THAT THE FATHER POSSES , VEDAS SAY THAT GOD HAS A TRANSCENDENTAL FORM , VEDAS DECLARE THAT THERE ARE THREE ELEMENTS IN THE UNIVERSE
1) GROSS MATTER MADE UP OF EARTH , FIRE , WATER, AND AIR THAT COMPOSES THE PERISHABLE GROSS BODY OF A HUMAN BEING .
2) SUBTLE MATTER MADE UP OF EATHER , COMPRISING THE BODY OR THE FORM OF CELESTIAL BEINGS OR THE DEVATAS AND OTHER SUCH BEINGS
3) TRANSCENCENCE COMPRISE OF PURE BLISS . COMPRISING OF SPIRIT OR THE FORM OF THE LORD , SO IS IS THE SOUL OF A HUMAN BEING SO COMPRISED OF BUT MISIDENTIFYIES HIMSELF WITH THE ILLUSORY MATERIAL BODY .AND THEREBY THE CYCLE AND THE LAW OF KARMA TRIGGER OFF THE LAW OF KARMA , AND HE IS FORCED BY HIS OWN KARMA INTO 84 LAKH SPECIES OF BEINGS IN ENDLES CYCLE , UNTIL HE IN HIS SUPERIOR HUMAN BIRTH TAKES THE PAIN AND OPPORTUINITY TO REALISE HIS SPIRITUAL SELF .THIS STAGE IS CALLED AS LIBERATION . LIBERATION FROM THE MATERIAL BODY , AND THERE BY GOES TO THE SPIRITUAL RESIDENCE OF GOD AS A SPIRIT AS A SPIRIT SERVANT OF THE SUPER SPIRIT OR GOD .
VEDAS SAY ALL THESE THREE ELEMENTS ARE DIFFERENT IN CHARECTER AND EXPERIENCE .LIKE FOR EXAMPLE MERCURY , WATER AND OIL ARE LIQUID BUT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENT AND CHARECTERISTIC, SPIRITUALITY IS THE UNDERSTANDING AND REALISATION OF A PERSON OF HIS ORIGINAL SPIRITED SELF , THE TRANSITION FROM HIS MATERIAL UNDERSTANDING (ILLUSION) TO HIS SPIRITUAL REALISATION ,
ISKCON Devotee stumps a Christian preacher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mozcpK1158

GOD HAS A TRANSCENDENTAL FORM COMPOSED OF IMPERISHABLE BLISS OR SPIRT AND THE INDIVIDUALS IDENTITY THAT HE IS ORRIGINALLY SPIRIT AND A SERVANT OF GOD IS KNOWN THROUGH VEDAS ONLY .
Often people become puzzled when they see a picture of Lord Krishna. Usually they have been exposed only to Western religious philosophy, which hints that God is a person—the eternal father of every living entity—but gives scanty information about His form. For this reason many people think God is formless or void. But by using a little logic we can easily understand that if God is our eternal father, He must have form. Our fathers are persons with form. And if we count back thousands of generations we will find that our forefathers were also persons with form. Why should we think that the original, primeval, absolute father (God) is not a person, or that He is a formless person? The word person implies form; a formless person does not exist.
Nevertheless, many people think that since God is spirit, He must be formless. They consider spirit to be some transparent, ethereal “force.” However, beyond this hazy conception of spirit, which is not upheld in any of the great scriptures of the world, is the scientific explanation of spirit—or, as modern science calls it, antimatter—found in the Vedic literature.
The Vedic literature do not deny the formless aspect of God. Rather, they explain that beyond the formless, impersonal realization of God is the highest understanding of the Absolute Truth as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Vedic literature explain that God, Krishna, is a person. Just as we are all individual persons, so God is also an individual person. But He is not an ordinary, materially covered person like us. He is a transcendental person (nityo nityanam cetanash cetananam). And to realize His personality is to realize all His transcendental features—His name, His qualities, His activities, His associates, and His form.
God, who is complete, cannot be formless. Everything in His creation has form, so how can God have no form? This would mean that God is less than His creation—or in other words, that the complete is incomplete, which is simply illogical. The complete whole must contain everything within our experience and beyond our experience; otherwise He cannot be complete. In addition, all the great scriptures of the world instruct us to love God. How can we love something formless or void? It’s impossible. We are all persons, and we desire to love other persons—not some dark oblivion in outer space. We desire personal relationships, and the ultimate relationship is with the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
The form of Krishna—with His bluish hue, lotus eyes, blooming youthfulness, and pearl-white smile—is not fanciful. It is not created by an artist, a philosopher, or a mundane poet after seeing the beautiful panorama of the material world. This anthropomorphic idea doesn’t answer the question, “Where does the beauty of nature come from?” Actually, the beautiful things of nature are reflections of Krishna’s original beauty. He is the prototype, as He explains in the Bhagavad-gita (10.41). Yad yad vibhutimat sattvam shrimad urjitam eva va / tat tad evavagaccha tvam mama tejo-‘msha- sambhavam: “Know that all beautiful, glorious, and mighty creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.”
(Bs. 5.30).
angani yasya sakalendriya-vrittimanti
pashyanti panti kalayanti ciram jaganti
ananda-cinmaya-sad-ujjvala-vigrahasya
govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami
“I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose transcendental form is full of bliss, truth, and substantiality, and who is thus full of the most dazzling splendor. Each limb of that transcendental figure possesses in itself the full-fledged functions of all the other organs, and He eternally sees, maintains, and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane” (Bs. 5.32).
Experts in the science of bhakti-yoga have related to us the knowledge of Krishna’s form through an unbroken disciplic succession. They encourage us to test the methods they prescribe, and to experience unlimited pleasure by seeing Krishna’s form ourselves.
FOOLISH CONCEPT OF GOD.
As in Christianity or islam there is no understanding that human beings are originally spirit , but covered by matter or illusion a perishable illusory reality , God is originally spirit , and the souls eternal bliss and the supreme happiness is in serving him , In other religion the work “spirit” “soul” and “ru” is there but only acts with a medium of a material body and that it is formless, this is irrelevant and absurd according to Vedas . as there is no understanding of the original individual of a person or the science of spirit , ie
1) Spirit has an independent form different in character and conditions of the material body , as it is blisfull in eternal service of god who is super spirit .Therefore while living in the material world to come to the consciousness and realisation of spirit one cannot connect to god
2) There is therefore no understanding of the Spiritual abodes which comprise of the bliss expansions of lord the birds, plants ,fruits and everything of the spiritual abodes of the lord , There is no understanding that even flowers , fruit. taste , and the beauty within in the material world are also a reflected secondary perishable expansion of the lords material opulence.
3) Therefore as there is no understanding of spirit , “SPIRITUALITY” IS A FARCICAL STATEMENT IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY. There is no chance of a person to come to the consciousness of spirit and therefore connect to god in eternal service or the “super spirit”, then what is gods role? HE IS JUST A SHARE CERTIFICATE OR A FIXED DEPOSITE ,TO ENJOY HEAVENLY IMMAGINARY BENIFITS , MAKING GOD A SERVANT ,SERVITUDE TO HIS PREOGATIVE OF SUPPLYING ALL SELF IMAGINED ETERNAL ENJOYMENT, WHICH ARE FRINGES LIFTED FROM HIS EXPERIENCES FROM HIS MATERIAL EXPERIENCES OF THE MATERIAL WORLD WHERE HE LIVED. WERE VEDAS SAYS THAT WE ARE A SERVANT OF GOD OTHER FAITHS MAKE GOD HIS SERVANT JUST THE OPPOSITE CONSCIENCE A DOG TO SERVE HIS SENSES BUT NOT AN OBJECT OF SERVICE AND ENTIRITY OF SURRENDER OF CONSCIENCE
FOOLISH CONCEPT OF ANTI GOD OR SATAN
Vedas say god is the super spirit residing within spirit of the person soul . therefore all except the lord is a created being and therefore the controle of the lord therefore created beings . Which means no being can function independently inless sanctioned by the lord , in vedis history there are the demons , who are nothing more than the disobedient human beings .lord resides wihin the human body along with the soul and directs the soul to understand his spiritual self , and thus get liberated , but the soul takes no cognition of that fact and acts independently nor his guidance from the heart nor the Vedas which are his word manifestation , Lord does not interfere with his freedom in neither sinful or pious deeds , but gives the result of his actions.THEREFORE THE CONCEPT OF ANTI GOD INDEPENDENT OF GOD IS ABSURD .
JAIVA DHARMA CHAPTER 10 DISCUSSION BETWEEN A MUSLIM SCOLAR AND A VEDIC SCOLAR GORACHANDA
Mullah: Matter is distinct from God. I think that it is better not to worship material objects, because it is said that Satan introduced the worship of matter to keep the living entities bound in the material world.
Goracanda: Isvara is one without a second, and He has no rival.
Everything in this world is created by Him and is under His control.� Therefore, He can be satisfied with any object when it is used in His worship. There is no object in this world one can worship that can arouse His malice, for He is all-auspicious. Even if a person such as Satan exists, he is no more than a special jiva under the control of God, and has no power to do anything that is opposed to God,s will. However, in my opinion, it is not possible for such a monstrous living entity to exist. No activity can take place that is contrary to the will of Isvara, nor is any living entity independent of the Lord.
You may ask, What is the origin of sin? My answer is as follows. Vidya (knowledge) is the understanding that the jivas are servants of Bhagavan, and avidya (ignorance) is forgetfulness of this. All jivas who, for whatever reason, take shelter of avidya sow the seed of all sins in their hearts. In the hearts of those jivas who are eternal associates of Bhagavan, there is no seed of sin. One should understand this truth of avidya carefully, instead of imagining an extraordinary myth about Satan. It means that it is not an offense to worship the Lord in material elements. Worship of the Deity is most essential for those of low spiritual eligibility, and it is particularly auspicious for people of high spiritual eligibility. In our opinion it is mere dogma to think that the worship of the Deity is not good. There is no logic or evidence from sastra to support this position.
IRRELEVENCE IN MATERIAL UNDERSTANDING AS WELL
IRRELEVANCE OF CHRISTIANITY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ktMDfVv7K4
IRRELEVANCE OF ISLAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBEdjR-hKk
HYGENE AND ISLAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E43rJVeuWzc

Dear moiez,
Firstly I would like to clarify that I do not support the cast system in this modern time.

However, the existence of cast system in Hinduism was very much a need at the ancient time. It was the time when there was no law and order like today, which defines the ownership of a person on natural resources. In such a situation, if given a choice, I am sure everyone would love to either do teaching job or fighters job than anything else. Hence the cast system was more a need. In nature, you can still find such examples which leads to strong society. For example, in colony of ants, there are types of ants which are for different purposes, such as for fighting, workers, nourishing, etc
Without such a system, if one wonder why it was impossible to build a strong society, then just look at European and African history (BC), where for slavery there were attacks on neighboring countries. This system was the backbone of Indian society till almost 1000 years after Christ. However later on, exploitation of this system began. Critics present only this half part as the dark side of Hinduism.
Hope, I am able to clarify your question.

@Maria-thanks for all your efforts. It is really very impressive to see what you discovered in Hinduism and we being ignorant to it so far.

Islam promotes violence and hate against other religions. It is the duty of a muslim either to convert forcibly or kill in his attempt a nonmuslim, this is taught in their madarasas and mosques. Dont believe, see whats happening in bangladesh right now. Hindus are killed and their places of worship are getting destroyed. The ISIS caliphate, Bhagdadi, who is a PhD in Islamic studies declared that ‘Islam is NOt a peaceful religion, it has to accomplish its goals at any cost’.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/world/asia/bangladesh-hindu-muslim-nasrinagar.html?mabReward=A1&recp=1&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

Hi Guys, the concept of God in Islam is actually very simple and one does not need volumes to explain the concept of God. For those who are unaware Allah when translated into English means Allah = Al Ilah = The God. In Islam I believe God is One of whom there is no image or likeness. Whether you like it or not, if you believe that there is only One God then you believe in Allah (Arabic word for The God, or One God), and you are a believer – Muslim.

Muslim is a person who believes in One God, as this was the message that was preached to mankind from the beginning of time. The minute you make an image of God and starting worshiping that image or avatar, you are moving away from God. The point I am trying to make is that there is no image of Brahman, and the minute you start worshiping anyone having an image or form, you are not worshiping Brahman. It might sound really odd to people who have no knowledge, but if you are a Hindu who worships Brahman alone without associating Brahman to anyone else, then you are a “believer”, a Muslim! And the religion you are following is Islam (submission of your will to God).

Leave the Quran aside, and leave Muhammad (PBUH) aside for a moment. If you do not wish to follow the Quran or Muhammad (PBUH), then don’t. You are still a Muslim. Every single child according to Islam is born as a believer, who believes in One God, which is a Muslim. The society then binds him into various rituals and practices, which deviate his thinking from his original state of believing in One God. If you are a truth seeker and come to the conclusion that any worship to any deity other than Brahman is wrong and you should connect with Brahman (who has no form or image) alone through your own form of prayer with a sincere heart, you are a Muslim.

You don’t believe me, and think I am trying to bluff you right? Then read this –

[Quran 2:62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabiens; any one of them who believes in God and the Last Day, and does good work, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

In that case, why do Muslims believe in Quran and wish for everyone to follow the Quran? It is because that God says in the Quran that he sent his messenger to every nation with the same message of worshiping God (Brahman / Allah) alone, without associating partners in worship. But it is our understanding that as time passed by, the various scriptures that exchanged hands got adulterated and had certain revelations removed and added to them over a period of time. The Muslims believe the Quran to be in the purest form, hence they try and follow everything to the word as given in the Quran. You do NOT have to believe what the Muslims who follow the Quran believe. You can remain a Muslim by not even reading the Quran. But if you really wish to seek the truth, then you MUST learn Sanskrit and do your own research and go back to the Vedas. If you then reach the conclusion that you wish to follow the Vedas alone as they continue to remain in the pure form, then that is great. As long as you worship God (Brahma / Allah) alone (stop making images of God / Brahma), and do good work, may Brahma (Allah) reward you on the day of Judgment.

Flatulence also has no image and no likeness and anyone who tries to make an image out of it, is insane. Muhammad’s Allah is nothing but hot air, islaminuk! If you really want to understand “the one with no image and no likeness” then ditch the Quran and study Hindu philosophy. You will learn that it is impossible to “associate” Brahman with anyone else, because there is no anyone else!

“Leave the Quran aside, and leave Muhammad aside for a moment.”

I tell you the same thing. Leave them aside, FOR GOOD, if you want to progress spiritually even one inch!

Dear Maria,

I have been reading most of your articles and blogs on the subject through the columns in ‘wordpress.com’ and other media. I wish many Indians who live in the self-imposed exile from the clear understanding of Sanatana Dharma pause a while and think of what they have been missing all through their lives and how the glib-talking touts of Abrahamic religion have been systematically dismantling Hinduism by misquoting their dogmatic philosophies from their religious books. I do appreciate your candid and bold writings asserting the true values of Hinduism.

I would like to suggest you to go a step further in your ardent pursuit of studying the Hindu philosophy and try to get the views of Sri. Ramanuja who reviewed all the six vedic religions and established the Visishta-Advaita philosophy. Presently, I reckon your understanding of the of the Hinduism is mostly based on Shankara’s Advaithic philosophy that perceives God as Nirguna Brahmam (without attributes). The validation of any of the vedic philosophy propounded by its exponent must satisfactorily explain all the statements of all the Upanishads. Shankara’s philosophy restricts itself explaining the Abheda Shrutis and conveniently abandons the bheda Shrutis as superfluous. Only Sri. Ramanuja’s visishtadvaita Sidhanta complies with all the Shrutis without any exception using the unique Shareera/Atma doctrine.

I suggest this course of action to you only to enlighten yourself further on this great religion. While doing so, I also recommend that you consult a well established Visishta Advaita Acharya for proper guidance.

Sanatana dharma has been modified along with changing need of people from millions of years. the God didn’t created caste system in sanatana dharma, In early Rig veda there were no concept of hereditary caste system, caste system was based on profession and it was not hereditary, means you were free to choose any profession irrespective of your background. If you opted to become an worrier then you were considered kshatriya , if you were a tiller you were considered a vaishya, or if you were a teacher then you were considered a Brahmana, prison of war were considered as Dasas and Dasus.A son of farmer could become a teacher and climb the ladder of caste system if he wished to. But during Gupta period (crica 3rd-4th century) these social structure started getting solidified due to many political reasons and professions became hereditary and caste system solidified with time. During this period many pasture and nomads who used to stay outside sanatana dharma social structure were included in the structure by the priests and they were called Sudras . Sudras mainly stayed outside villeges and mainly in jungle or pasture land and naturally they were less civilised than the villegers and as a result sometimes they were considered as untouchable. With passing time these pastoralist and nomads started agriculture or started serving people In the villeges and their status In society also started getting solidified.But basic thoughts from Sanatana Dharma doesn’t believe in caste system, it’s all about Brahmana or Moksha or truth and Maya or life. Sanatana Dharma social norms are free to interpret or modify or include new thoughts with changing time, might be after hundreds of years there will be no caste system like in early Rig veda period and we will read it in history books only.

My request to people is that don’t confuse Hinduism with Sanatana Dharma. Anyone who lives in the Indian subcontinent irrespective of religion are Hindus, whether they are sikh or Jain or Christian or sanatana or Muslim, all are Hindus. Root of the word ‘Hindu’ lies in the word ‘Sindhu’ , means whoever stayed along the banks of the river Sindhu or Indus are called Hindu and the word Hindu is first coined by Persians In the mediaeval India.

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good reply.
i want to add something about the concept of ganpati.
The meaning of ganpati in Sanskrit is ” master (pati) of a group (gan). whatever rishis had explained the image of ganpati teaches us the qualities of leader of any group.
ganpati have head of elephant. elephant have some qualities. elephant is wisest animal. whenever you put him grass he will throw some grass first for small animals first. after that he will eat. the leader should also think about others first. It is also belief that elephant can see the future, means the leader also think about future not only about present.
Ganpati have big ears means the leader should give ears (attention) to smallest person of group.
so many such things about ganpati teaches us to be a good leader. In sanatan dharma ” shivo bhutva shivam yajet” means to pray shiv you should gains qualities of shiv.
and as u explained to realize brahman we should earn some qualities. n ganpati teaches us to achieve qualities of leader.

Maam,forgive me if im ignorant to u. You
should also looked at What the Vaishnav archryas says about That Brahma u say. Parambraham and Relationship between Us and Duality between Atma and Paramatma on reading ur articles I am founding it’s more on Advaita philosophy

There is what there was and always will be. We hv no name for it people hv tried various name for it. Like Brahman, Tao , according to bhuddist the whole universe is Tatata(ten thousand function one suchness). Tat Tuyam asi = you are that the”tat” often first word utter by chiders( tat,tat,tat) n we Hindus believe that Childers r closest to truth so word “tat”is represented ultimate reality

True.
HINDUS need to be proactive & aggression to be there in their approach replying abrahamic expansionists.

Excellent.

Well thought of…..much appreciated. I look at devas not as Gods or supernatural beings….i look at the concept they bring forward to percieve things easily and deeper at the same time….the concept is more important than the entity itself…in a way the ancient thoughts of the rishis were more scientific than those at present.

Maria wat about hell fire….hell full of fire….and we are burning our dead here only …is tat not cruel…think about hell made by god…..we are proving it here only

Sorry to disappoint people but these versions are misinterpretations. For example, Draupadi was NEVER molested. Vanavas is not a punishment and Sita was never abandoned. No point in fighting for dhrama with half knowledge and then wondering why people like Wendy are getting all Freudian on us. For real interpretation please read, Pls help promote dharma to combat anti-Hindu views, would appreciate. Thanks http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/myth-buster4-was-vanavas-a-punishment-and-was-sita-deserted-by-ram
http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/was-draupadi-molested
http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/were-balabhadra-and-arjuna-getting-cold-feet
http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/mahabharata-a-dharmayudh-based-on-swadharma

Thank you Maria and salute to your rational , unbiased thinking

You are absolutely correct. People like Zakir Naik distort the truth to their way of thinking.

Pointing out facts about the Abrahamic religions is often seem as criticism. it is not. Sometimes pointing out facts is needed, especially when they are harmful

An article of worth reading. Quite enlightening & opens a gate way to clear vision.

Madam, I bow to you in reverence! How succinctly put forth.
I may share with you my only and brief meeting with Dr. Naik in an q & a session. I asked him how does he explain the inequality in humanity, he dismissed me by saying it’s God’s will.
I was sure he never stopped to ponder this question.
May God bless you!
Sincerely,
Hemant Tulpule

Yes it right most Indians will not know these facts as our education system was built by British. Indian philosophy “darshan” is not taught at schools.
The concepts of islam and Christianity are no where close to this supreme knowledge of “who I am” and ” who is creator”.
Our Rishis founded this knowledge thousands of years back. And there is no religion in this knowledge. This is pure blisss.
Thos who have read Ganpatu Atharvshirsha or Devi Atharvshrsha know this. Those who know Advaita know this.
Thanks for writing this.
Sudhir

They muslims are fedup with their philosophy.A poor religion of destruction if other

Jai ho !! Apt knowledge keep it up !!
Torch bearers like you are God sent !!

I would like to see proof of quran word of god. For debate let us agree it is true. Can we be very sure all the words told by the angel are remembered correctly by the prophet and reproduced correctly. For sake of it let us agree Mohammed remembered everything. Can we be sure no one modified it after that? Words in language changes meaning over time. How can people be sure of holy book if they do not know it is really true?
Same time Hindu dharma does not have a set rules.Each and everything can be questioned? Even existence of god can be questioned. As long as a person follows the rules of society even if they do not believe in god they are not sinners are per Dharma.

Santana Dharma existed way before Christianity & Islam came in to this universe. It’s rubbish to say that one will able to enter heaven only if we convert to either Islam or Christianity. You can do all the dirty things in life & convert to any of these religions to enter Heaven. I don’t understand why these people lure innocents in the name of Heaven which no one’s knows about. I prefer to be Hindu who can live freely till the end of my life.