Christians are not under attack in India

It is interesting read. Why is the main stream media reporting is with full bias and against Hinduism. The more and more this kind of reporting happens, people at large will loose faith in the Press. We have to remember what Peter Drucker once said. The problem with propaganda is not that people will not believe propaganda , they will not believe any thing.

Maria ji,people should realize that it’s the Krishna cinsciousness in your soul which is making you stand bravely for Dharma,i can understand maria Ji

http://www.desicontrarian.com/?p=261

A REBUTTAL: AS A CHRISTIAN, SUDDENLY I AM A STRANGER IN MY OWN COUNTRY, WRITES JULIO RIBEIRO

Julio Sir, every intelligent and informed Indian carries a huge respect for you…for the wonderful things you have done for India, in Punjab and in Bombay in the past during your active service period….. please do not feel a stranger in your own country….only advise the christian religious zealots not to indulge in conversions of poor indians anywhere in India…….

maria,

this might be of interest –

http://www.firstpost.com/india/uncle-sam-may-indirectly-funding-religious-conversion-india-2176175.html

One word:Great and Beautiful.
But is any one listening, at least by chance??????

That is some impressive denial.

There’s no denying that there are plenty of attacks against Christians and other minorities. Pretending it doesn’t happen doesn’t help anyone, including yourself.

You got to read Fredrich Nietzsche’s “Anti Christ” to understand this pathology.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19322/19322-h/19322-h.htm

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The biggest enemy of Hindus is the English speaking elite indian media. They are the cause of our bad publicity,falsehoods and totally untrue news about Hindu and India
You deserve my heartfelt thanks for writing this truthful blog against the church and the intellectual dishonesty of indian media

Christians all over the world have done mission work, like spread of education, health support, helping the poor. in India, they created jobs, put Railways in order

Maria O Maria where did all the converted Christians hide during the many census of India. Does it not surprise an intelligent person that the Christian growth rate was always less than the Hindu growth rate and that their population has not increased but reduced to below 2% even though the missionaries built so many Churches evangelising or threatening to (quoting from your writeup Missionaries have the guts to openly declare that they want to plant hundred thousand churches in India and “evangelize the whole country in this generation”) but to no avail. What kind of downright stupid arguments are you making? Have some respect for your fellow citizens and don’t make us a laughing stock among netizens.

THE WICKED GAME OF CONVERSION
Ours is Sanathana Dharma. It is not based on the birth of Sri Rama or Sri Krishna or any particular Avatar. As it is our philosophy to live in tune with Nature, we don’t harbour any ill will to people of other faith. But the matter doesn’t stop there.
MAIN OBJECT: These missionaries faith do not really care a damn about the salvation or spiritual aspirations of these converts. Theirs is purely a business venture. Their main aim is to convert people to their faith, increase their numbers, take control of a small region first, then expand their hold in the political system and finally have major hand in the decision making process of the country. Once they establish themselves securely, they will enact legislation to suit their personal business needs.
MODUS OPERANDI: At the global level, they are projecting us as a poor country and sending money in the guise of aid. Their aim is to use these funds to invest in land in order to take control of the natural resources. Since foreigners are not allowed to make capital investments in our land freely, what is the way out? They use our own native, gullible people and invest the money in land & buildings and other infrastructure in their names. To this end, they convert the people to their religion first and then route their investment so that they can have a vice like grip on these people to indirectly control their investments.
STRENGTH & SUPPORT: With these infrastructure investments, they establish various business/trading houses for import/export and take back their returns in a clandestine way by engaging in hawala/money laundering deals, by pulling wool over the eyes of the public and the law. Since they have a well established network of pseudo-secularists right upto the very top in all government office, they are in a position to pull out anything in their favour.
WHAT IS THE LOGIC: Some days ago there was a report in the papers that our Foodgrain Stock has twice exceeded the prescribed Buffer Limit. This clearly shows that we are not in need of any food for the people as all the granaries are overflowing and fresh godowns have to be built to stock this years’ surplus. In contrast, countries like Sudan and Somalia are facing the severest famine and drought conditions that most of the people are like walking skeletons. Why these missionaries are sending funds to uplift the “POOR” of our country where the granaries are overflowing with surplus food grains, when they can divert their funding to help the REALLY NEEDY, MALNOURISHED PEOPLE in countries like SUDAN and SOMALIA? Because if they INVEST in those countries, there are no resources to take control and as such no RETURN ON INVESTMENT. But here, our Bharat was the richest, is still the richest and ever will be the richest country in the world and shrewd business minded people will start their shop only here as has been repeatedly happening for over a thousand years, isn’t it?

Reblogged this on Suchetausa’s Blog.

Mariaji

Great piece. I am surprised no media channel airs these views. I also wonder whether the blame game is only limited to English media, and villagers are ignorant (for the best) and continue to live in harmony.

Most Hindus are oblivious of what’s happening in rest of the world and how others view them and the Indian governments have almost never cared or shown sensitivity in this regard. The Indian media is no different, ignorant at best and criminally dishonest at worst, it is handled with kid gloves by politicians of all parties. You have mentioned the US Commission for International Religious Freedom USCIRF, which is headed by Katrina Lantos Swett, a Jew who converted to Mormonism, a modern Christian sect and a principal figure behind the visa ban for Modi.
The USCIRF has no representative from non-Abrahamic religions (Muslims have a single, token representative). Here we have a morally compromised The Hindu treating her as the ultimate purveyor of impartial justice and religious tolerance, plying her with leading questions: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/arc-of-justice-is-long-for-2002-gujarat-riot-victims-lantosswett/article6991249.ece

She says: “In Delhi, five churches were attacked. There are reports that Hindu nationalists forced some Christians and Muslims to convert. There are reports of the majority-Muslim village of Azizpur in Bihar being attacked by more than 5,000 people and Muslims were killed and houses were set on fire. As you may recall just a few weeks ago earlier in February police detained a large number, I believe it was hundreds of Christians, who were demonstrating against attacks on churches in New Delhi. One of the gentlemen who were detained during the police arrests of these demonstrators was a very distinguished human rights activist, John Dayal, who actually had testified before the U.S. Congress just about a year ago, in April 2014. He testified before the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on the plight of religious minorities in India”.

Not very long ago, in a CNN blog she gave a series of misleading and slanted information, as just these two examples will make clear
1.” Anti-Christian violence followed the August 2008 murder of a Hindu leader in Odisha, even though Maoists claimed responsibility”. The AK-47 toting Maoist who killed the leader was a Christian Pana, a politically powerful group in Odisha who are usurping land, resources and tribal privileges from the animistic Kondh tribals, (whose rights that leader was trying to protect) and who revolted at the cowardly assassination by the Panas.
2. “Most notoriously, in February 2002 in Gujarat, Hindu mobs killed as many as 2,500 mostly Muslims, forced 100,000 to flee, and destroyed homes”. The number of killed in the riots was 1044 made up of 254 Hindus and 790 Muslims, as given in 2005 by the anti-Modi Congress led UPA in the Parliament, after a thorough investigation.

The very fact that she totally ignores Hindus killed and inflates the Muslim dead betrays the completely biased agenda of a powerful and vested Christian interest, cloaked in the vestments of a Senatorial body.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/the-two-faces-of-india/

Most of the converts have been low caste Dalits who still claim to be Hindus officially to avail the caste reservation but are in practice christians. Declaring themselves as christians officially will make them lose the SC reservation. Missionaries convert Dalits criticising caste injustice in hinduism but ask them to retain the caste for reservation. In practise also, they are treated as Dalits now known as christian Dalits an oxymoron. That’s why you don’t see the figures in census. I personally know few who have done this. Missionaries in india are the biggest hypocrites. Even in my home state kerala christians feel proud and declare themselves to be descendants of converted Brahmins from 1st century by St. Thomas (this claim is disputed). Nevertheless they are proud of their Brahmin ancestry. The later fishermen lower caste converts have their own church and are not entertained by these Brahmin converts.

If I have to agree with what you are saying, the ownership of channel CNN-IBN is held by Ambani, a strong supported of Modi/BJP and Times have been a major channel to air the atrocities against Christians. Does he as a shareholder of CNN-IBN have no say to in the broadcast of the news aired by his channel? You mean that they has no control over his own channel? We also know that Times is also a BJP sympathizer. It shocks me to know that the media has no backbone and is dependent on only around 2000 christian religious leaders to make decisions on what news to be aired.

Hallo Maria!
Ich lebe teils in Wien und teils in Tiruvannamalai. Da ich nicht mehr tatenlos zusehen wollte wie Indien in deutschsprachigen Medien behandelt wird habe ich einen eigenen Blog gestartet. Bitte wirf mal einen Blick darauf und schreib deine Meinung als Kommentar!

hindukulturgenozid.blogspot.com

Kann es sein das wir uns kennen? Vor ca. 20 Jahren in Puttaparthi oder Vivekananda Yoga Kendra nahe Bangalore? Hast du mal einen Rollstuhlfahrer aus Österreich getroffen.

LG Shankara

Yes, the Belur Mutt attack was completely ignored by MSM till afternoon. But social media kind of forced at least newsx to discuss it in the evening, including why events where Hindus are attacked are downplayed. Of course without the hype that is typical when there is even only a stone thrown by a drunkard at a Church. Other channels kept quiet… though it was not about a stone but 2 blasts.

very well explained mam

Today all over the world we are witnessing socio-political conflicts and religious strife taking heavy toll of human lives. There is an urgent need for mankind to change his way of thinking and behavior if a major catastrophe has to be averted and human race being extinguished. Hence an all-embracing new ethical order based on scientific temper, reasoning and humanness, is the need of the hour. Sanatana Dharma (Eternal Righteousness) as defined by Swami Vivekananda is a way of life without strict dos and don’ts and containing spiritual values. People all over the world following different faiths like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Judaism and also atheists and agnostics can adapt the Sanatana way of life to know the purpose of one’s life and realize the Ultimate Reality. See http://sanatanaparishad.blogspot.in/

Ms. Maria you should know that publishing even true incidents or speeches is prohibited in India if it is spreading communal disharmony. I don’t know about your country. Please be aware of this fact. You have lot of information about India and Hindu culture and I do appreciate that. Please enlighten people on that. But going beyond that to attack other communities to appease some people is not in good taste and not even lawful.

Please don’t be paranoid. Why would the Hindu press make false reports against Hindus? These attacks are being conducted by Hindu extremists, not Hindus in general. The vast majority of Hindus don’t like these attacks against innocent Christians. A majority of Hindus helped vote the BJP out of power in 2004 for the same concerns about religious intolerance.

Unfortunately, your propaganda somehow missed the following publications and the news they have reported:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bearing-the-cross-of-communal-discord/article1-1326535.aspx

Quote:
The first major instance of mass violence against Christians broke out in the southeastern districts of Gujarat in 1998, “the same year that the BJP came to power in that state,” notes a 1999 report of Human Rights Watch. The report titled ‘Politics by other means: Attacks against Christians in India’ noted that between December 25, 1998, and January 3, 1999, more than 20 churches were burned or destroyed and scores of tribal Christians were assaulted, robbed and targeted by angry mobs of Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Bajrang Dal activists who invaded their houses in the Dang and neighbouring districts of Gujarat. The report also said: “Although the highest number of incidents took place in Gujarat, attacks have also been reported in Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh, Kerala, Bihar, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Haryana, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Manipur, West Bengal, and New Delhi.”
Unquote.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3006811/Christians-demand-police-action-Hindu-extremists-attack-Jabalpur-church-terrorise-worshippers.html

Quote:
Members of a Hindu fundamentalist outfit stormed a church in Madhya Pradesh’s Jabalpur district terrorised people, and assaulted church members. The attack took place on Friday. The Hindu outfit alleged that members of the Christian community were converting Hindus.

The police have lodged a complaint against the attackers and are taking the help of CCTV footage o arrest them.

“We have registered cases against Dharma Sena leader Yogesh Agarwal, Raju Rai and others. Efforts are on to nab them.” H.C. Mishra, Superintendent of Police, Jabalpur said.
Unquote.

Dr. Kulkarni, as a Christian whose ancestors were converted by Portuguese Jesuits in Goa hundreds of years ago, almost certainly using coercive methods, I have always opposed coerced conversions. While I happen to like my Christian religious ghar, with all due respects to my Hindu friends, I am not opposed to the ghar wapsi movement, as long as it is conducted lawfully, and does not use coercion itself. After all, Muslims and Christians have been practicing “ghar choddo” for centuries, often by the sword and other coercive measures.

Having said that, what Julio Ribeiro wrote has been corroborated by other credible sources as you can see in the links below:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bearing-the-cross-of-communal-discord/article1-1326535.aspx

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3006811/Christians-demand-police-action-Hindu-extremists-attack-Jabalpur-church-terrorise-worshippers.html

Vijai, please note that Hindus wrote the manual on how to mercilessly discriminate against one’s fellow-man, relegating many of them permanently to the status of “untouchable” simply because of their accident of birth.

Please wise up.

Jatin-bhai – Unfortunately, all that tsunami of verbiage by Maria Ji, pales in the light of the facts as shown in the following two links:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3006811/Christians-demand-police-action-Hindu-extremists-attack-Jabalpur-church-terrorise-worshippers.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bearing-the-cross-of-communal-discord/article1-1326535.aspx

Article is too soft and the Hindus should be altered about the need to become virat Hindu and not be sattivic. Yes, it is true that the Christians are powerful but that does not mean Hindus should not fight. Think of Lord Krishna and Hindus should become like Him Strategic Mind. Don’t forget Strategic Mind like Lord Krishna.

‘@Mariawrith, this is really avery good article. All these aggressions are happening because of cristian sole aim to convert ppl into christinarity. I have seen how they dupe inncocent hindus to convert into christinarity. They take a plastic cross and put in the water and another plaster of paris hindu god idol and shows to the crowd that cross have floated and the hindu idol have sinked. So cristinarity is the true religion this is how they convert uneducated people.

Why is media not exposing this, we all should apeak against this. When the news about nun rapiest was out why the news was not discussed during primetime ?
whay it only showed a ticker/scroll.

When mother teresa says she is serving the jesus and she converted people this is not communal? When mother teresa came to kolcata in 50s there was not a single christian in that region. now they have bought thousand and thousand of acres of land by these missionarios and ppl are converted. Is this not communal??

Regarding hindu census please note that the percentage of hindus it shows as 78%. This is fake. Please note that hindu percentage is gone down below 60%. India’s 45 % population is Schedule caste and Schedule tribes and most of them are converted christians but they are told by the church to declare themselves as hindus during census time because they will not get the Schedule Caste benefits if they delcare as christian. So guys christian population in india have rose from 2% to 10% over the last decade

Mr. Kannan, your last sentence shows that YOUR tolerance is only on the surface. This topic is about specific attacks by fringe Hindu fanatics on Christians simply for being Christians. Maria Wirth is spreading false propaganda based on all Hindus most of whom are tolerant and non-violent. However, there is a fringe element of violent Hindus, and then there are some like you here seen exposing yourself with your thinly veiled threats.

Can you post some credible news reports that 250 temples were vandalized over the last year? Thanks.

As I said in another response to you, your tolerance is only on the surface, based on your thinly veiled threats in your last sentence.

That is what i am trying to tell you its overstated

http://www.firstpost.com/india/religious-census-2011-sucks-hindu-population-may-seriously-overstated-2066161.html

Here is the proof,

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/in-report-on-church-attacks-bassi-told-centre-theft-in-206-temples-last-year/

Its closer to 20%

http://www.desicontrarian.com/?p=646

THE CHRISTIAN CASTE SYSTEM

What I’m trying to tell you is that your baseless speculation is bogus and paranoid.

Anyone who follows a caste system is not really a follower of Christ, who considered everyone to be equal to everyone else..

When you cite a report I suggest you read what it says first. Police Commissioner Bassi was talking about “burglaries” of temples, gurdwaras and mosques by un-named perpetrators – he was told by Home Secy.L.C.Goyal to stop the attacks on Christians, obviously by Hindu fanatics. .

80.5% of the population of India is Hindu. 13.5% are Muslim and 2.3% are Christian.

Anyone who calls themselves a Christian and believes in “caste” is not really a Christian. Christ taught equality and love, not discrimination and hate.

Yes..there is no “true” drunk Irishmen” either. LOL 🙂

There are drunk Irishmen just as there are beef-eating Hindus :-))

mario goviea , you should stop spreading your gospel over here. if you keep on spreading baseless lies, one day we will actually damage a church and hurt you guys bad. Don’t take our tolerance for and opportunity to ridicule and humiliate us. Proud to be a heathen.

hey don’t get me started on numerous hindus slaughtered by your church in Northeast India. If I start pulling links you won’t have the patience to go through it all. and yea we will reconvert back all converted Christians if you keep spreading lies about Hindus.

lol dats what you got, just these two link. Didn’t you parents educate you? What were they? Whores?

Mr Bose – Thanks for making my point beer than I have been able to – that while most Hindus are non-violent and tolerant, some, like you, are neither.

Mr. Pathak – what you don’t seem to understand is that there are many who call themselves Christians who do not follow what Christ taught – which was love and equality. On the other hand, Hindu philosophers wrote the manual on how to discriminate and condemn people based on their birth, even calling some of them “untouchable”.

Most Hindus are non-violent and tolerant, but there are some, like Mr. Bose in this Comments section, who are. It is these fringe Hindus who are violent and intolerant who and have attacked innocent Christians just for being Christians.

That is what the topic is about.

Dr. Rao – if you want to give peace a chance why are you confusing the recent attacks on Christians in India, which was the original topic raised by Julio Ribeiro, with the holocaust and jihad and everything else in history?

Maria Wirth is claiming that there were “NO attacks on Christians” which is clearly false.

Mr.Mario
if you are convinced some humans are attacked by criminals. Deal with it only at that level.
Human – criminal.
Don’t brand the criminals as Hindus. That’s where you are targeting the peace in India.

We forgive/punish the criminals on issues such as vandalising places of worship in India / USA
Please note – I’m not implicating any community.
Because criminals do not belong to any religion.
That’s the bottom line

Dr. Rao, When the attackers are members of the Bajrang Dal attacking a Catholic Conference and vandalizing a Church as they did in Jabalpur it was not simply a common criminal act – it was a hate crime based on religious animosity and a violation of the Indian Constitution which includes freedom of speech, assembly and religion. Catholics have stopped coerced conversions years ago.
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Please read the news report:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3006811/Christians-demand-police-action-Hindu-extremists-attack-Jabalpur-church-terrorise-worshippers.html

Well said,Ms.Wirth.

We have never read Manu Samhita but Muslims and Christians seem to read it all the time to refer to the same.I have had a colleague who was a Catholic and there was another Catholic girl who was very intelligent and pretty.Since they were quite friendly, our group of friends used to ask him if they are now a pair.He had very angrily denied it saying that his ancestors were Brahmans and that girls were Dalits.At least two women from our caste(though I do not believe in any caste,just to use a frame of reference–) who have married Dalits.One of these was a central minister and another was vice chancellor of Bombay University and also a Chairman of the Planning Commission.They had briefly mentioned this in their interviews to newspapers.So this horrible scourge of our society is if not disappearing,at least being taken care of except in the villages where the crimes continue.

Today Mr.Karat from the CPM had mentioned reservations being denied to Dalit Christians and Dalit Muslims.What a strange briefing.These both religions DO NOT BELIEVE in this morbid practice of us Hindus.

I have also witnessed 3 marriages where the men are Hindus married to Muslims.The girls wanted to merge with the new families by converting to Hinduism.The men and THEIR MOMS( Moms-in-Law usually play a great and at times decisive role here in India) told them to hold on to their religions and let the marriages be truly secular adding also that it’s their happiness together that matters most and religions don’t matter.

Yesterday again some community indulged in a farce of having converted to Islam to retain their homes and then declared again that they will be Hindus after the local magistrate assured them that their homes will be safe.

Even I noticed the overwhelming barrage on your blog.By the way,have you read Manu Samhita?

Was there a single Manu,the savarni manu,who went by the varna arrangement of society? I am told there were many Manus(Law Makers).As per the Yogis,Brahmin is one who attains the knowledge of his self,Kshatriya is the one who strives hard to destroy his internal enemies ( 6 negative qualities) and attain self-realization,Vaishya is the one who makes a deal with himself about when and how he will try to attain this goal and Shoodra is one who enjoys only material pleasures and wishes to remain there.Vyasa who wrote Gita also was considered low class since his biological father,Parashar-a Brahman,had just had a brief relationship with Vyasa’s mother,Satyavati and had abandoned her.YET Vyasa attained self-knowledge and was considered a sage and thus a Brahman by his achievement.He never converted to any religion.
other than the Universal One.Probably because there were no other better(?) religions or because he was not a deserter .Regards,

This is the trick that this minority plays. even when there will be 2021 census it will still show it is 2.5. so that they enjoy all the benefits. When entire northeast,kerela tamil, goa ,bengal is converted by these missionires how can the percentage be just 2.5%. This is the trick the congress played during sonia in power.This is the right time that there is a hindu awekening and stop these christian community bully 1 billion majority.

Dont get muslims here in between they never go and convert ppl like the way missionries do.
you know what is your mentality:
When christians convert people by luring its like there should be free to chose the religion
when people convert to hindu its like that is communal.
This is called hipocracy.
people should follow the truth that is hinduism not dogma that is christinarity

Maria, please don’t continue with your embarrassing deviancy from the truth. We have already seen that your claims that no Christians are being attacked in India is false.

To begin with, it was I who alerted you to the evil suggestions of Sadhvi Deva Thakur and asked what you thought about the, Instead of condemning those Hitlerian sentiments you chose to try and deflect them by answering my question with a question as to who had followed her suggestion, and telling me that no one would, which was speculation that’s besides the point I was making about the evil tendencies of Hindu fanatics.

I replied that her suggestion was a new one and that it took Hitler several years from first wanting to exterminate Jews to actually rounding them up for slaughter. I also pointed out that the abhorrent suggestion to sterilize all non-Hindus came from a VP of the Hindu Mahasabha, the oldest Hindu organization in India, so it has to be taken seriously.

Thus I did respond to your question which you are denying as you deny anything you find inconvenient.

BTW, please don’t falsely accuse me of personal attacks I have not made. I did call Mr. Bose a disgrace because he was threatening violence against Christians which most Hindus would find disgraceful.

There is no way to debate someone like you whose mind is closed like a steel trap and cannot even acknowledge the difference between the vast majority of Hindus who are non-violent and tolerant and the Hindu fanatics who are neither.
Violent attacks on innocent Christians are not a molehill to those being attacked – it is a mountain for them.
Please wake up and see the truth.
This discussion is not about “Hindus” but about “Hindu fanatics”.

I don’t know whether you follow the case system or not. What I wrote was “Anyone who follows a caste system is not really a follower of Christ, who considered everyone to be equal to everyone else.:

Mr. Hindu – what does this bakwas have to do with Christians being attacked by HIndu fanatics?

Maria, Please get your head out of he sand and be honest with your readers.

Here is a report of the latest attack on a Catholic Church in Agra:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/Church-vandalized-in-Agra/articleshow/46943034.cms

Try making a molehill out of this mountain:

Here is a report of the latest attack on a Catholic Church in Agra:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/Church-vandalized-in-Agra/articleshow/46943034.cms

If that is what you think Ms.Wirth is doing stop reading this blog and responding.The actual Hindu philosophy is found in the Upanishads and not in Manu Samhita or elsewhere.The Upanishads clearly mention even before Christ was born that we are children of the Nectar that we call God.No one is superior and no one inferior.Why don’t you people read that.As I have already said,you have some problem.Get it treated.No one practices the real philosophy.That is a tragedy but why keep writing about it.Why not approach the police commissioners/courts of the said region wherever these attacks occur and deal with it.You have to also think of the other possibilities:The people opposed to the present Govt.might be doing this to deiscredit the Govt.and come to power.The splinter groups of RSS who did not want Modi but somebody else to lead them and follow their nefarious games also could be behind this.When AAP came to power and even when it had not assumed power and were busy with fighting among themselves,the church attacks stopped.How?Read between the lines.And don not keep writing here.This is assuming maniacal proportions.Do you have any grudge against the Hindus?Were your ancestors Hindus who were forced to adopt Christianity due to the caste system?If true,then it explains the deluge of letters you have been writing here since you have not healed and Christ has advised forgiving the evil.Where are you following that?

You cannot have a blog that is denying the truth without response.

I have no grudge against Hindus, only against Hindu fanatics.

You don’t seem to know the difference.

BTW, just because a few upper caste Hindus have married Dalits or Muslims doesn’t change the 5,000 year old caste system still being followed over most of India. On the other hand, Christ preached equality and love for our fellow-man.

This is just more bakwas from you. If Christians were declaring themselves to be Hindus in the census they would be committing a crime and would not get SC benefits.
You must be a Hindu fanatic like Mr. Bose because you don’t acknowledge the difference between Hindus and Hindu fanatics who are attacking Christians, most recently in Agra after Jabalpur a few weeks earlier.
Maria Wirth does not want to acknowledge the difference either because she is a propagandist for Hindu fanatics and wants us to believe that all Hindus are the same.

Mr.Mario
Please understand if any place is vandalised it’s a law and order problem. The guilty need to be punished IRRESPECTIVE of community / caste.
Even before a case is registered…. For you to shout “Fanatic Hindus” is like the media shouting “Wolf. ..Wolf. .” as in the poor 72 yr- old -lady’s case and the drunkard stoning a window.
Relax.
The more you accuse ALL Hindus for ALL attacks ….. It only shows your intent on targeting the peace in India.
If you are really concerned about places of worship…..
and since Jesus said love all equally…..
Please care for ALL the 200+ attacks on temples / mosques / gurudwaras equally. And I salute you. That we have a truly secular person.
If you can’t may I suggest you stop this mindless ranting and do something more useful with your life.

A CHRISTIAN LADY’s RESPONSE TO JULIO RIBEIRO
Hilda Raja

[The writer was Head of the Department of Social Sciences, Stella Maris College, Chennai.]

I read Mr Julio Ribeiro’s ‘I feel I am on a hit list’ (Indian Express dated 16th March)

I did not react immediately because I wanted to let it sink and see if there was any foundation in what he stated.
To me who am 78 the whole accusation of his seems to have no foundation.

As of Julio Ribeiro – my ancestry also can be traced to Hinduism. While he agrees on this the question arises why we are Christians today. How did it happen? What kind of inducement-allurement and what strategy of proselytization were used those days for my ancestors to become Christians?

Unlike Julio Ribeiro I do not feel threatened-neither do I fear that I am on a hit list and I feel very much an Indian no matter who says what.

The point to note is that the Catholic Church to which Julio Ribeiro and I belong has a parampara of a persecution mania.
This is because we have inherited and are born through persecution. Not by the Hindus but by the Dutch, the Portuguese, the French and the English.

This is precisely why though Julio Ribeiro acquiescence that his DNA if tested, it will not differ markedly from Mohan Bhagwat’s. The same can be said of our Hindu ancestors. Then what happened down the line.
We must agree that there was persecution, forced conversion by the conquerors. It was a question of torture and death to which the Hindu ancestors were subjected to.

This is not fairy tales but recorded history when thousands of temples were destroyed, houses were ransacked and people were brutalized Those who indulged in this human rights violations were treated as Saints by the Vatican and raised to Sainthood .
But now we raise a hue and cry against ‘ghar Vapsi’

What was good for one is not good for another. It is not though these were in the hoary past. Even today most of the NGOs do indulge in this proselytization.

I wish the government of India ban all foreign funds.

If China could develop without such NGOs and the foreign funds why should India not?

I must bring the Vatican’s mind set in this context because it is relevant . When it comes to conversion it will go the extra mile . Look at what it indulged in during the regime of PiusXII. He did not hesitate to join hands with Hitler who attacked Yugoslavia. Hitler partitioned the country into the Catholic Croatia and the Orthodox Serbia

Then followed a massive ethnic cleansing The aryanisation process which separated the Jews,Serbs as undesirables. These were deported to concentrated camps. Children were not spared. The ethnic cleansing was done by the open support of the clergy-priests and nuns supervised and Vatican followed the ‘omerta” and looked the other way. Special death camps were set up for children. Several commandants and officers at these death camps were Catholic priests.

Francisan monks supervised the mass execution. This ethnic cleansing thus had the blessings of Vatican..There were monetary gains for the Vatican from the Holocaust in Croatia. In the certificate of conversion which was sold for a few hundred of dinars the Vatican netted millions. Vatican was well informed and yet the Pope maintained silence.
In fact not a single member of the clergy was held accountable.-though the commandants of the death camps were priests.
When after the war, Archbishop Stepinak was arrested for war crimes by the Yugoslav government Puis XII excommunicated everyone who had taken part in the trial.

Later the Archbishop was presented as the champion of religious freedom!
It is interesting that in 1998 Pope John II traveled to the Republic of Croatia to announce the beatification of Archbishop Stepinak

It must be noted that the Vatican abetted and colluded with Mussolini and Hiltler in all their brutality. It stood to gain both in terms of power and money. Yet we often hear the word ‘Fascist’ being thrown against the BJP and the saffron brigade.
This is part of the christian parampara of the Catholic Church to which Julio Ribeiro and I belong to. Yet we are scandalized by the ‘ghar Vapsi.

What about the Inquisitions held in India-in Goa .

With so much of baggage how can we point a finger to others-to the saffron groups and then pretend that we are being victimized and discriminated?

All rapes are abominable and need to be condemned in the strongest terms. But why only the rape of the nun-be it in Orissa and now in W,Bengal be internationalized? Why and how can the Vatican interfere and want to send a delegation?
In a population of nearly one and a quarter billion- human rights violations and inhuman acts are bound to happen. These need to be severely put down not politicized. It is the NGOs which create a kind of phobia . Foreign funds flow and towards this they organize dharnas and rallies. Any violation and discrimination is being attributed to the Modi’s government. But then these things had not suddenly surfaced. There is a long gestation period of discrimination-of injecting a fear psychosis. The politicians have communalized the communities.

India is known for its secularism-it is not because the Constitution made it secular. Even before the Constitution the hindus welcomed all religions. Butchery and compulsion and forced conversion were introduced and followed by the Dutch, Portugese the French and the English. Earlier the basic tenet followed by the inhabitants of this great country was Sanatana Dharma. Even today that is the guide and the dictum

I am 78 and thought it is time to speak out .

The ordinary people like me are happy and content –feel no persecution or discrimination and are not on the hit list.
Even if we are, truth cannot be hidden.

In fact it was the Church which had crucified TRUTH and continues to do so.

Perhaps there may be aberrations to this. It must not be forgotten that Julio Ribeiro was hounded by a minority community for the alleged human rights violations in Punjab. It was not the Hindus who were behind it. So may be JR has some deep seated fear within him. But then to generalize this personal fear into the whole fabric of the Indian populace is too far fetched
I want to appeal to the government of Modi to ban the foreign funds flow into this country. We should be able to manage with what we have. Why take a begging bowl to other countries and disrupt the peace within. If other countries can manage so can we.

I would like to mention about the good works done and which are being done by nuns. But then they have enormous assets. When the foreign invaders left this country they turned over all their land and houses to the churches. As if these are their grandfathers’ possessions. By all legal rights these should have been turned over to the government of India. So the Churches had at their disposal land and finances to start with. There is no accountability.

Look at the Minority education Institutions which run on their own rules and regulations. Why did the Constitution founders submit to such a request and enshrine it in the Constitution?

Is that not discrimination? I have studied from LKG to PG in Minority Institutions. Later I was a faculty in one of the elite colleges in Chennai. I know how they function. The least said about them the better.

Yes good work they do there is no denying but it has a price. Money flows into Vatican. There is wealth beyond measure in these Church allied institutions and in churches.

So when mammon triumphs where is TRUTH.

The same lenses must be used to scrutinize Mother Theresa’s work in India.

Dr Mrs Hilda Raja,
VADODARA

Robert Rosario a Konkani Christian, has been actively campaigning against the “exposition” by the Catholic Church in Goa of Saint Xavier’s body. This event takes place every ten years and is running from Nov 22, 2014 to Jan 4, 2015. Xavier’s place in history is highly controversial with historical evidence showing that he ordered the Goa inquisition that ran for over 250 years in which native Goa residents— Christians, Hindus and Muslims were brutally tortured and killed. Mainstream coverage of the event, from MidDay to the Times of India, has generally omitted the contested and controversial nature of this exposition. In a country where JNU students even take up the cause of mythological demons such as Mahishasura, it is strange that the story of very real human victims, Konkani-speaking people of India, is brushed under the carpet. We caught up with Robert in an interview to find the motivations for his campaign.

Q: Can you tell a little bit about your own background and history and how you came to be interested in this issue?

Robert: I am a Mangalorean Konkani Catholic. I am a social activist and was active in the Church also. For a long time I have noticed some mismanagement in the funds of the Church. I started digging I found something is wrong at the base. About inquisition I had heard of a long time ago but I did not know that Francis Xavier was behind it. We venerate and consider him a saint. I was shocked to find that Francis Xavier was behind it. I started digging and found there is enough evidence for this.

What happens is that every 10 years they open the body for this so-called veneration. I thought this is the right time, about a month back I wrote to the Bishop of Goa and requested him to stop this and send the body to Portugal. We have had enough of this. The history of this man is very bad, there are enough crimes on this account, he seems to be a very inhuman person and I quoted from histories written by experts. I copied to the Conference of Catholic Bishops of India, their President, Vice President. Somehow they did not reply. I kept posting reminders, they never bothered to reply. I wrote to the Government of Goa and the Government of India.

» So what specifically did you find against Xavier? Of course, Xavier is venerated, there is even a big college in his name. What specific things did you find?

The Inquisition went on for 250 years, during this period, thousands were massacred, badly tortured. I am a Konkani Catholic from Mangalore. My ancestors were earlier in Goa, due to the inquisition they migrated to Mangalore. This is our history, it goes back to Goa. What was this inquisition? I had heard but I did not know that this man Xavier started it. I found a letter from 1545, this man writes to Rome and Portugal King that he wants to start a Holy Inquisition. Prior to that he was in Lisbon, he knew fully well what inquisition was. He was aware of the torture. Being fully aware of this, he writes to start the Inquisition in Goa, the cruelty was very much in his mind.

» But there are people who say that the inquisition only started after he died, so he shouldn’t be held responsible for all the crimes.

He wrote a letter to the Pope and the Portugal King knowing communication was slow, by sea route, he initiated the process, there are documents that he was taking hourly stock of what was happening, he was personally supervising it during his lifetime. And he initiated it, so he cannot be absolved of his crime.

» How would you respond to people in the Church who say he did a lot of service for Christianity?

He has done a lot of conversions. If conversions are in the service of Christianity, then he has done it. But if you consider the humanity angle to it, he was the most inhuman person I find. Even Hitler had some humanity, he was worse than that.

» But what did he do in his lifetime that you would call not very human?

In the letter itself he writes, “People here are very bad, their god is black, these people need to be taught a lesson, Holy Inquisition is the only way.” In his mind he is a criminal, that mind is reflected in the letter.

I posted this on a forum. I had a friend who is doing his post graduate at St Aloysius College. He said this is available in the notes given by the Jesuits at Aloysius College, all this is mentioned in the notes, how he benefited Christianity, how he used the sword to convert people.

» You are saying this is well known to the Church?

They know it very well but they are hiding from us. Even when they say they tell from their point of view. They say (of the inquisition) that these people were so away from God that it was necessary to bring them to God.

» So you are saying that a number of ancestors of Catholics on the Konkan coast had to undergo this (torture)?

South to Goa they certainly migrated due to inquisition. It went on for over 250 years. Not only Catholics, there are Hindus, you find Konkani Hindus called Goud Saraswat Brahmins (GSB), there are Kudumbi, Scheduled Castes, and all Konkani-speaking people migrated from Goa due to the inquisition.

» You got no response from the Church. But what about the community, are they receptive?

They are shocked. We have been singing hymns of this great man, it is difficult to digest. Suddenly we learn, history says he is such a big criminal, but our priests never told us, they always said that he is such a big saint. Sometimes they blame me, there must be something wrong with your study. I confront them with evidence.

So are there reputed historians who have documented this?

Robert: Yes. Something interesting I will tell you – There is a Konkani paper, the official mouthpiece of the Bishop’s House of Mangalore, Raknno. It has published a long story, a novel, in three volumes, written by one Saldanha. Though the story is supposed to be kalpanic, the facts were related to inquisition and all the facts are related to the inquisition, these are showed in the story. And it is published in the official mouthpiece.

» So the story shows the inquisition… that this was a good thing or this was bad?

Robert: No. The entire story was from the inquisitor’s point of view, it was shown as good, rather as necessary. Because the pagans were to be taught a lesson. But it mentions all the torture, all the burning — this is mentioned. Three big volumes are there. How they were uncultured, needed to be taught a lesson. He has mentioned all the torture parts really clearly.

» So what is it that you would like as an outcome here?

Robert: The crimes are of such magnitude that you just cannot undo them, undoing or compensating is impossible. The Goa Inquisition was even crueler than the European Inquisition. The least we can ask is the symbol of crime, that is the body, the so-called body, of the man is lying there, and it exposed once is 10 years for so called veneration, that is like sprinkling salt on the wounds of the victims. At least stop that, you can’t undo the crimes of the man, at least stop this. Send the body back to Portugal. We are no more governed by Portugal. After 1961, we are independent. Till Portuguese were here, we couldn’t demand that. But after 1961, the day the Portuguese left, the body should have gone with them, why it remains here even after 53 years? We have always preached Ahimsa, this symbol of Himsa should no longer be in our country.

St. Francis Xavier’s first priority in India through his own words ‘I want to free the poor Hindus from the stranglehold of the Brahmins and destroy the places where evil spirits are worshipped. The Brahmins are the most perverse people in the world…. They never tell the truth, but think of nothing but how to tell subtle lies and to receive the simple and ignorant people… They are as perverse and wicked a set as can anywhere be found, and to whom applies the Psalm, which says: ‘From an unholy race, and wicked and crafty men, deliver me, Lord’. The poor people do exactly what the Brahmins tell them…. If there were no Brahmins in the area, all Hindus would accept conversion to our faith’.

St. Francis Xavier wrote a letter to the Society of Jesus in which he said, ‘Following the Baptisms, the new Christians return to their homes and come back with their wives and families to be in their turn also prepared for Baptism. After all have been baptised, I order that everywhere the temples of the false Gods be pulled down and idols broken. I KNOW NOT HOW TO DESCRIBE IN WORDS THE JOY THAT I FEEL BEFORE THE SPECTACLE OF PULLING DOWN AND DESTROYING THE IDOLS BY THE VERY PEOPLE WHO FORMERLY WORSHIPPED THEM’.

St. Francis Xavier did this in Quilon after the Hindu Raja of Quilon had given him a munificently large grant of land and other resources to build Churches in his territory. After taking this grant, St. Xavier converted Hindus into Christianity. After doing that he said that he was in a state of ecstatic joy! The same kind of savage joy was expressed by another equally savage temple destroyer Mughal Emperor called Aurangazeb who ruled from 1658 to 1707. So much for terrorist Christianity and terrorist Islam! So much for peace-loving and compassionate Christianity and Islam! So much for Christian Brotherhood and Islamic Brotherhood!

The House of Inquisition (Divine Torments!) of Hindus was a subterranean grotto, so that others might not hear the cries of the wretched. Many a time, the Hindu victims died under torture; their bodies were interred within the compound, and the bones were exhumed for the auto da fe, and burnt in public. Those Hindus who were branded as convicts, and persisted in denying the facts of which they were accused, or who were relapsed, were obliged to wear another scapulary which was called Samarra, a brown cloth, on which the portrait of the victim was painted above flames, and surrounded by demons. Below this portrait were written down the name of the condemned and the crimes. But for those who accused themselves, after the sentence was pronounced, and who were not relapsed, a different Samarra was given: in these brown vests the flames were facing downwards, which was called ‘fogo revolto’.

After the distribution of the Sambenitos, five pointed bonnets or mitres of cardboard, all painted with demons and flames, and the word ‘feiticeiro’ (sorcerer) were brought and placed on the heads of the persons accused of necromancy. Standing up all night, at last at 5.30 a.m. the sun rose, and the bell of the cathedral started tolling. This was the signal for the population of Goa to wake up, and come to witness the august ceremony of the auto da fe, which was considered as a triumph of the Holy Office.

By daylight, each convict was ordered to march alongside a godfather, one of the officials assigned to each victim. It was a great honour to be appointed godfather for these ceremonies. Finally, covered with shame and confusion, tired of the long march, the condemned reached the church of St. Francis, which was decked with great pomp and circumstance. The altar was covered with black cloth on which stood six silver candleholders. On both sides of the altar there were two kinds of thrones: the right side for the inquisitor and his councillors, and the left side for the viceroy and his court. The convicts and godfathers were seated on benches. Once the sermon was concluded, two officials went up to the pulpit, to read publicly the proceedings of all the guilty, and to declare the sentences upon them. Generally all the Hindu victims were either put to death in all kinds of barbarous ways.

In order to accelerate the process of Christianising of the Hindus and the demolition of Hindu temples, one of the associates of St. Francis Xavier, Minguel Vaz, the then Vicar General of India appointed by the Pope in Rome, requested the King of Portugal as part of his 41 Point Programme to destroy all Hindu Temples in October 1546 as follows: ‘Since idolatry is so great and offence against God, as is manifest to all, it is just that Your Majesty should not permit it within your territories, and an order should be promulgated in Goa to the effect that in the whole island there should not be any temple public or secret. Contravention thereof should entail grave penalties that no Hindu should make idols in any form, neither of stone, nor of wood, nor of copper, nor of any other metal…. and that persons who are in charge of St. Paul’s should have the power to search the houses of the Brahmins and other Hindus, in case there exists a presumption or suspicion of the idols there’.

Consequently on March 8, 1547, the King of Portugal ordered his Viceroy at Goa that all the Hindu temples should be destroyed forthwith. Minguel Vaz even before the receipt of this formal order had commenced the operation of destruction of Hindu temples. Consequently there was a Hindu uprising and the Hindus succeeded in poisoning him to death. Following the example of Minguel Vaz, similar orders for destruction of Hindu temples were issued by Viceroy D. Antao de Noronha on 29 August 1556.

Throughout Portuguese Rule in Goa, various Viceregal and Church Council decrees banished the Hindu priests from the Portuguese territories. The public practice of Hindu rites including marriage rites was banned. Only Christians were preferred in public employment. The Government ensured that the Hindus would not harass those who became Christians; yet at the same time and to the contrary, the Hindus were forced to assemble periodically in Churches to listen to Christian preaching or to the refutation of the Hindu religion. Perhaps because of all these anti-Hindu acts, Mahatma Gandhi wrote very clearly in his autobiography ‘The Story of My Experiments with Truth’: ‘I had started disliking Christianity. This was not without any reason. Those days Christian missionaries used to stand in a corner near the High School in Rajkot and used disgraceful words against Hindus and their Gods/Goddesses. I could not bear this’. In fact not only Gandhiji, no self-respecting Hindu can bear this.

Immediately after the establishment of Portuguese Rule in Goa, a number of ANTI-HINDU LAWS were enacted, and most of them, during the period of Holy Inquisition in Goa from 1560 to 1812. What is worse, all of them were strictly and often ruthlessly implemented to punish the Hindus and more particularly the Brahmins.

‘Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world’. — Voltaire (French Philosopher, 1694-1778)

‘Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, find, imprisoned: yet we have not advanced one inch towards humanity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support error and roguery all over the earth’ — Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

The Jesuits staged an annual mass baptism every year on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (January 25), and in order to secure as many neophytes as possible, a few days before the ceremony, the Jesuits would go through the streets of the Hindu quarter in pairs, accompanied by their Negro slaves, whom they would urge to seize the Hindus. When the blacks caught up a Hindu fugitive, they would smear his lips with a piece of beef, making him an ‘untouchable’ among his people. Conversion to Christianity was then his only option. This kind of barbarous treatment was specially reserved for the Brahmins!

Thomas Paine (1737-1809), the American Statesman wrote: ‘What is it the Bible teaches us? — Rapine, cruelty, and murder’. Dr. Paliwal has documented the glorious Church record of rapine, cruelty and murder in Goa from 1510 to 1960.

‘The Christian God is cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.’ – President Thomas Jefferson

‘Missionaries are perfect nuisances and leave every place worse than they found it’. – Charles Dickens.

‘The horrors inflicted on Galileo Galilei by the Inquisition — the Vatican has only recently admitted that the Church was wrong and Galileo was right — are well known. Not that well-known, and tragically so, are the horrors inflicted by the Goa Inquisition. Every child reads about Galileo’s trial and how it is symbolic of the triumph of science over blind faith. But there is no reference — indeed, all reference is scrupulously avoided — to the brutal attempts of the Church to triumph over Hinduism by seeking to destroy all that was Hindu in territories conquered by the Portuguese in India’.

Will Pope Benedict XVI, who talks so eloquently about the ‘carnage’ in Orissa today, dare to come forward to apologise for the Portuguese Inquisition against the Hindus in Goa from 1510 to 1812? And this silence is not because there exist no evidence: There exist, in full text, orders issued by a succession of Portuguese Viceroys and the Governors from time to time. There exist, in written records and travelogues, penned not by the persecuted but by the persecutors, full details of the horrors perpetrated in the name of Christ.

In 1538, King Joƒo III, the King of Portugal pleaded to the General Ignatius de Loyola in Rome, that he should send missionaries for the Orient. Promptly Francis Xavier was sent to Portugal in 1541. It was Francis Xavier who established the Inquisition in Goa like that established earlier in Spain and Portugal of which he had sufficient first hand experience of persecuting thousands of Jews and Muslims. And so on May 16, 1545, he requested the King of Portugal to establish Inquisition in Goa in these words: ‘The second necessity for the Christians is that Your Majesty establish the Holy Inquisition in Goa because there are many who live according to the Jewish Law and according to the Mohammedan Sect, without any fear of God or Shame of the World. And since there are many Hindus who are spread all over the fortresses, there is the need of the Holy Inquisition, and of many preaches, Your Majesty should provide such necessary things for your loyal and faithful subjects in India’.

St. Xavier did not see his wish fulfilled, but in the year 1560 the King of Portugal sent the first Official inquisitors Aleixo Dias Falcƒo and Francisco Marques, to India and they established the Inquisition in Goa. This Inquisition was finally abolished only in 1812, and the connected files relating to several crimes were kept first in Goa, and later sent to Lisbon.

Alexandre Herculano, a famous writer of the 19th Century, mentioned in his ‘Fragment about the Inquisition’: ‘..The terrors inflicted on pregnant women made them abort…Neither the beauty or decorousness of the flower of youth, nor the old age, so worthy of compassion in a woman, exempted the weaker sex from the brutal ferocity of the supposed defenders of the religion…There were days when seven or eight were submitted to torture. These scenes were reserved for the Inquisitors after dinner. It was post-prandial entertainment. Many a time during those acts, the inquisitors compared notes in the appreciation of the beauty of the human form. While the unlucky damsel twisted in the intolerable pains of torture, or fainted in the intensity of the agony, one Inquisitor applauded the angelic touches of her face, another the brightness of her eyes, another, the voluptuous contours of her breast, another the shape of her hands. In this conjuncture, men of blood transformed themselves into real artists!’

Dear Maria, Kudos to a great article. I see that there are some persons with an agenda to flood your blog with mindless rhetoric. You cannot speak logic to these brainless bandicoots. You can’t expect any relevant replies to the issues raised by you, since they haven’t any. They are blinded by their personal agenda and lack your true world vision, which is evident in your articles. Please continue the good work. Take care. Have a great time. We are with you.

Hilda Raja is either ignorant, delusional, or a stooge, based on this latest news report on top of reports about the attack in Jabalpur and all the other attacks on Christians by Hindu fanatics:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/Church-vandalized-in-Agra/articleshow/46943034.cms

Robert Rosario, like Hilda Raja, seems to have no idea what is going on in India based on numerous news reports in major newspapers of attacks on Christians by Hindu fanatics.

Ramasubramaniam – Please don’t embarrass yourself like this. How can a Hindu even talk about mythical Gods and making money based on that. LOL!

Jesus and his family and his ministry and his brutal crucifixion and death were mentioned in concurrent Roman and Aramaic texts, so we know he existed.

What you may not believe is that he was the Son of God as Christians believe.

Ramasubramaniam – There’s a reason Christians are called Christians and not Xavierians – their teachings come from Christ, not Francis Xavier.

Then you admit FRANCIS XAVIER was an INFIDEL and NO SAINT. Still why all you Christians throng to see his SATANIC REMAINS still held in casket at Bom Jesus Church? Why do you venerate it. By such act, don’t you all turn INFIDELS by default. If you truly believe that you are following the preachings of CHRIST, what prevents you to start an agitation to throw the casket holding the RUTHLESS KILLER’S REMAINS into the DEEP SEA? Or at least remove it from the Church premises and sanctify the place in order to uphold the true preachings of CHRIST?

Maria is doing a great job and nobody needs your rantings here. If you have so much to say in this regard, why not start your own blog and post you blabber in it?

Thanks Mr.Pourugutsa.I thought as well.However a particular Manu is being held responsible by some ranting nobody who appears to be changing his grouses.While referring to Dailymail.co.uk why doesn’t anybody think about deploying security at any Mission or Church or School run by any mission?This Agra mission was totally unguarded.There was no security despite these “repeated attacks on Christians”.Why can’t they use their own able bodied youngsters,who will be dedicated and devoted to the Mission/Church ?They want everything,including the security within the premises to be looked after by the police.Agra falls within the U.P. where Govt.is one belonging to the Opposition.Ranaghat Nun Rape also was supposedly( since the investigations are still on) committed by Bangladeshis.Many questions remain.No Govt.in power at the Centre will ever make a mistake twice and ensure its downfall.Detractors can and will try that to discredit the Govt.Why automatically and conveniently blame the Hindu Right Wing activists?Why the Delhi incidents stopped after the elections even when the AAP Govt.had not formed?Some day all these will be answered till then the Churches,Missions,Missionary Schools should protect themselves by deploying their own people so that no such incidents can take place.A simple solution without having to play victims.

The historians consider the Goa Inquisition the most merciless and cruel ever developed. It was a machinery of death. A large number of Hindus were first converted and then persecuted from 1560 all the way to 1812!

Over that period of 252 years, any man, woman, or child living in Goa could be arrested and tortured for simply whispering a prayer or keeping a small idol at home. Many Hindus — and some former Jews, as well — languished in special Inquisitional prisons, some for four, five, or six years at a time.

‘Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world’. — Voltaire (French Philosopher, 1694-1778)

‘Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, find, imprisoned: yet we have not advanced one inch towards humanity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support error and roguery all over the earth’ — Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

Those who carried out the atrocities in Goa were not following the teachings of Christ, believe me.

Many more Hindus have been subjected to humiliation by upper-caste Hindus over the last 5,000 years?

Thank you. And thanks for the detailed info on the Inquisition.
Mario seems hellbent to create a distinction between Hindus of “extremists” and “tolerant”. Obviously he does not know the fundamentals of Hindu Dharma and equals it with the dogm religions.

He flooded the comments today with the same comment to all your comments and WordPress didn’t get it approved. So I left his comments (giving same links over and over) unapproved.

Dear Oh My My Mario

You have definitely become the laughing stock in this blog.

First you ask me to believe in christ
Then you ask me to believe the main stream media
Now you ask me to believe you.

Are you the next incarnation of the holy spirit?
Aren’t you in to performing miracles yet?

If the people of the church commit atrocities, you say they are not true christians
If your priests and preachers turn heinous, you say they are not practising christians

What is your idea of christianity? Is it a professional degree? Sometimes you practice and then take a break and commit the crimes. Then rejoin duty and go for preaching? Don’t take refuge under jesus for all your tomfoolery.

We Hindus are not like you chameleons, changing colour every moment. We don’t take a break from our Sanatana Dharma. There is no True Hindu, Untrue Hindu, Practising Hindu, Retired Hindu, etc. We live in tune with Nature and respect all living beings.

Don’t keep carping on the same issue over and over again. The readers of this blog are really in disgust over your posts. My advise to you is to JUST TAKE A BREAK and become a non-practising blog-flooder.

Bye Bye

Diocesan News‎ > ‎
“Those attacking Christians are not real Hindus,” says Archbishop Oswald Gracias
posted Apr 2, 2015, 9:56 AM by Neil D’Souza [ updated Apr 2, 2015, 9:57 AM ]

While Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis gave the state police 48 hours to find the men who vandalised a church in Mumbai over last weekend, Cardinal Oswald Gracias said more needs to be done – and urgently.

“The government is not acting swiftly and strongly enough. I don’t want to say that the BJP has an anti-Christian agenda, but one cannot close one’s eyes to the fact that these attacks have multiplied after they came to power,” said Cardinal Oswald Gracias.

“If Prime Minister Modi wants to be an effective leader, then he should take his assurances to minorities to their logical consequences,” Cardinal Gracias added. “This is happening far too often, and we would be blind not to see the systematic attacks against Christians. I do not believe the BJP government wants this, but I fault them for acts of omission.”

“This is not India. These are stray elements. These are not real Indians, and certainly not the real Hindus. Vast majority of Hindus are tolerant, understanding and friendly,” Cardinal Gracias said.

The Cardinal, who is scheduled to travel to Rome later this month, said the spate of attacks on Christians in India is being discussed worldwide. “I am very embarrassed by what is going on in India. The image of India across the world is getting damaged.”

Bhutanese hindus were persecuted and expelled from Bhutan in the recent times. Some of them have been given asylum status here in the USA. The evangelical vultures have surrounded them and in the name of help,companioship and compassion the new immigrants have been asked to attend church and finally some of them were successfully converted. Some new converts started committing suicide as they could not adjust to the phenomenal shift in the cultural realm.

Hindus are being converted in tens of thousands by mullahs and evangelicals right within the borders of India.As some one said above, Juio Riebero was one such victim’s descendant. Goan hindus were the target of inquisition and thousands of hindus were killed by the Portuguese sometime ago.For 8 hundred years hindus were genocided by muslims and much later by the europeans. It is very remarkable that hinduism is still alive there now. Please read the abridged versions of Upanishads, only these scriptures explain the link between the man and Brahman. No other religious text has ever shown this depth of wisdom.

Mr.Mario
1) Glad you admit about the past atrocities against Hindus. It’s by and large forgiven. As long as you don’t repeat them.

2) Please get this “untouchability” out of your head, since umpteen Hindu scriptures call it a crime against humanity. One of the proponents of this fact to the world was Gandhiji, father of our nation.

3) “Hindu Fanatic ” is as good as saying “Fully Empty “, an example for oxymoron. Harping on oxymorons makes one a moron. Wake up.

Now read this link :

http://m.ucanindia.in/news/another-hindu-temple-vandalized-in-us-28646.html

Read the second paragraph in the report again and again. Though the crime was unequivocally one of hate (in contrast to the ‘attacks ‘ here) see how the non-Hindus responded to undo the damage. That’s because the Hindus there did not scream their head off to blame another community like you are doing here. As I said don’t give fanatism a communal colour. This makes you hurl false allegations and disturb communal peace and eventually become laughing stock when you realise you had only drunkards and Bangladeshi perverts to deal with. And not Hindus as you were hoping for like the sensation-mongering media.

This is precisely what Ms.Maria is saying. No one is denying the ‘attacks’ here. It’s the communal colour that you are desperate to give is what is denied. Denied vehemently.
And see how well the media there highlighted the thoughts of little Gracie (it’s finding positivity in the midst of negativity). Here we have media doing the opposite – show only the negativity and assume – ASS/U/ME (making an ASS out of U and ME) – things to the detriment of communal peace.

Now after reading the report on new york temple attack, you come up with “Christian Fanatics” one continues to be a moron. But if you say only “Hindu Fanatics” and not “Christian Fanatics” it makes one a hypocritic moron.

Dear Surya,

A dog has been barking at the Sun for so long. In what way the Sun’s glory is diminished? Only the dog is going to die a painful death, which it brought upon itself.

Let our Hindu state and all the Hindus be uncultured and our customs termed barbaric. Let it be so that we practice UNTOUCHABILITY. So, why people who level these accusations still stay in this wretched land.

Why not they abandon our shores and seek greener pastures, more civilized, where they practice TOUCHABILITY. Take for example Ethiopia where these people are TOUCHED AND BEHEADED.

Ethiopia says the 30 Christians shown being shot and beheaded in Libya on a video purportedly made by Islamic State militants were its citizens.

The video, in which militants call Christians “crusaders” who are out to kill Muslims, showed about 15 men being beheaded on a beach and another group of the same size being shot in the head in a patch of scrubland.

“Until There Came to Them Clear Evidence” — shows two groups of men, one in orange jumpsuits and the other in black, being killed at different locations in Libya. One group is beheaded on a beach along the Mediterranean Sea, while the other group is shot in Southern Libya, hundreds of miles away.

“All praise be to Allah: Muslim blood that was shed under the hands of your religion is not cheap,” the narrator says. We swear to Allah: the one who disgraced you by our hands, you will not have safety, even in your dreams, until you embrace Islam.”

Christians in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul were given the choice to embrace Islam or maintain their Christian faith and pay a tax. “The Islamic state has offered the Christian community this many times and set a deadline for this, but the Christians never cooperated,”

Isn’t it that HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. What the wretched SATAN FRANCIS XAVIER did to our people centuries ago, has come to haunt his wretched followers. This is only the BEGINNING OF THE END for them.

Only these dogs can bark, entrenched safely in the LAP OF OUR HOLY MOTHER BHARAT, who does not distinguish between her sons and the infidels, who are provided the FULLEST PROTECTION AND SECURITY they will find nowhere else.

I earnestly wish that this group, which is disgusted with our Bharat Desh, take a pleasure ONE WAY TRIP to Ethiopia and other countries, where they will be treated AS THEY DESERVE.

Mera Bharat Mahaan.

Thanks to you, dear Maria. It is very considerate of you to update me on this. That person is really cranky and lacks real stuff. There is no meaning in debating with him on any issue. Just he has learnt to post the links to various MSM reports. Nothing more.

As to my act, I wish to state that my intent was not to enter into a wordy duel with him but use it as an opportunity to bring out the true history (for the benefit of other readers of this blog) of the sufferings of the earlier generations of this great land of spirituality, of how they had paid with their honor and lives just to safeguard and uphold the values of Dharma. It would have been easier for them to get converted but they chose the path of truth. Still I shiver every time I read about the horrors of the Goan Inquisition.

I feel that the present generation of youngsters should get to know the sufferings and sacrifices of our forefathers and not just while their time in entertainment and western attractions. You are really doing a great job here and I can only say that YOU ARE GOD SENT to open the eyes of the sleeping HINDU GIANT OF SPIRITUALITY.

When the Hindu Spirituality is revived, it would not lead to a war of the worldly forces but usher in an era of sublime peace and tranquility.

Hari Om.

There is a plot to destabilise the social fabric in India. Muslims and christians both believe the vaccuum left behind as a result of the british efforts to denigrate Hinduism can be filled up by their religions. There is a huge population, and too much ignorance, which makes it perfect for anyone with money to lure the gullibles into conversion and grow in numbers.
This hype is deliberately created, and its a means to an end, to call for more sanctions and create more issues. here is an example of a ‘gentleman’ who makes his views very clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsjxXfklatk

I wonder if the world has forgotten the sodomisation of children by pastors worldwide? I wonder if the people have stopped focussing on the aspects that prevent a woman from exercising control on her body, like she cannot take birth control pills or get an abortion even if raped. How are these aspects conviniently forgotten. How is it that the segregation in terms of denominations, Protestants and catholics etc, not considered equally bad? When people condemn each other to hell for not believing as they do? How is it not another xenophobic caste system? What about slavery? Shouldnt christians be equally ashamed for the horrors it has given rise to? Shouldnt they be ashamed? Why only hindus are expected to give up all that they believe in because of the caste system? I wasn’t aware of my caste until I reached 10th standard in which the form required me to fill it, that was the first time I found out. Maybe I am just lucky to live in a city.
I have literally come a long way from believing in the ‘secular’ passivity in the name of wanting utopia to now realising how deceitful and pathetic these attempts are. Hindus do have it worse given that even the media hypes such anti-hindu ideas without a fair balanced perspective thereby favoring an anti-hindu plot. India should be declared a hindu nation in my opinion, while the minority remain a minority, conversion by choice , not deceit or coersion. i would hate for India to be destroyed by such anti national forces.

While many like the Delhi Police has sought to dismiss the Dilshad Garden Church fire as “electrical” and not as arson the reality is that almost 5 months after the event the forensic scientists of the Delhi Police have not announced the definitive or even most likely cause of the fire.

While no one accuses the present government of compplcity it cannot be doubted that the present government is a sympathiser of the Sangh Parivar. There have been numerous strident hate speeches against minorities including that by a BJP minister Sadhvi Niranjan Joshi who called all non Hindus ***tards who must have no say in the running of the nation. Sadhus, Sadhivis, Yogis and Babas who the sacred texts tells us are ascetics and renunciates are all flocking to elected office or running home remedy business empires.

The Constitution of India sought to be replaced by the Holy book the Bhagvad Gita according to senior government leaders.

Does it not look like India is heading down the equivalent path of Islamic Sharia State with the Koran at its centre OR worse like the theocratic state of Iran where mullahs rule over or over rule the Government.

When hate speeches by ministers receive only a rap on the knucles instead of the jail term they are due under the law it makes the minorities feel more than a little worried and for very good reason.

Yes,Ms.Wirth.You are spot on.

Jai,
1) read this:
http://m.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/hindu-temple-in-texas-vandalized-with-graffiti/article_96d526e0-e796-11e4-803c-cb2aaa917785.html?mode=jqm
Though this crime was unequivocally one of hate (unlike certain ‘attacks’ in India) there was hardly any uproar from the Hindus here.
Now, compare this with the noise made by US for unproven hate in the stone throwing and nun case. Sad.

2) you called for a jail term rather than rap on the knuckles for certain individuals’ hate speeches. Fair enough. I agree.
Now will you also call for the same jail term for all those who hurled allegations on the Hindus in the nun-case, especially when they did not even see the need to apologise when it was proven they were wrong….?

In both instances its nothing but propoganda with an ulterior motive of disturbing communal peace which will not be shaken as the perpetrators think, for reasons beautifully worded by Ms.Maria.

There goes another false allegation On the Hindu community.

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/jilted-lover-attacked-agra-church-cops/article7137606.ece/

Was sad to see a pic of a procession with CHILDREN in It. Are we being fair in planting the seeds of hatred at that age…. time for soul – searching.

As far as attitude towards non-believers is concerned there is no fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity. Christianity is probably worse because it conducts this kind of soft violence under camouflage of sugar coatings. In fact Christianity is sugar-coated Islam.

Evangelicals spread visceral hatred about hinduism in more than one ways, please read what a pastor from USA religiously concludes about yesterday’s Nepal Earthquake:

“A former Los Angeles police officer and self-styled preacher, has sparked outcry by suggesting that Nepalis should not rebuild their “pagan shrines” and instead convert to Christianity.

Tony Miano, an outspoken conservative who has previously been accused of homophobia, triggered angry responses when he posted a series of messages on social media, expressing sympathy for the people struck by devastation in Nepal, but suggesting God was angry.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/nepal-earthquake-us-pastor-tony-miano-sparks-outcry-by-suggesting-nepalis-should-not-rebuild-their–pagan-shrines-10204868.html

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Sorry to cut in,Ms.Reddy.I feel very hurt as well.Is there anything anyone can do about this silly ,misinformed comment?Regards,

How i wish that there are many like you…

Times Group (TOI) owned 80 % by World Christian Council
IBN-CNN 100% Baptist
The Hindu 100% evangelical
Star TV belongs to Peters Pontifical Church
NDTV IS RUN BY gOSPEL cHARITY cHURCH (Spain)
………………..and many more!

This are the “truthfull, unbiased” sources you relay on?
The way you write and the amount you write in favor of christianity and against hinduism denying the truth clearly shows that the christiam brainwashing machinery has done a good job on you! WAKE UP AND LOOK BEYOND!
Are you a goan xian? Are you getting paid for writing here? Is it really so convenient when others do the thinking for you? Are you able to think for yourself or is it to late? The truth you think you own are just the lies of others! Start living concious and see things as thei are and not as you are tould that you have to see them! Good Luck!

You should be aware that during british raj the british and missionaries had many printing presses they used to maime and fake hindu scripts when making “translations”! Scripts like the Manu Smriti got perverted to make hindus selfhating. “Famous” Friedrich Max Müller confessed this in letters to his wife and colleagues. You can find and read this letters in the internet! Read what early chinese travellers (Fa Hsien and others) had to say about India and what the greek traveller Megasthenes wrote about “caste” system already 400 BCE! You will be suprised!

Maria Writh, better read the biblical prophecies and their detailed fulfilment in later times. Many were written hundreds of years prior to the event and some even a thousand year prior to the event. No other book comes even close in making 100% accurate prophecies as Bible does. God says, He reveals the future through the prophets before it happens because that gives the proof that He alone is God and no other. So when Jesus says the church will prevail till the end, it will be so. When Old Testament (written before Jesus’s birth) says the church will grow and expands throughout the world, it will be so. When Old Testament and New Testament both says the church will have as its members from all peoples, tribes, nations and languages, it is so and will be so. No human power can resist the church. The more resistance the church faces the more powerful it becomes. That is its divine speciality since the church was founded. That is also the prophecy in the Bible. Any force that fights against the church will definitely be reduced to nothing in God’s fine time and none can have victory over the church. The church always goes in various stages. In today’s stage there is less attachment to the church in western world. This is just a stage of church. Always the church re emerges very powerful after a few decades of slowness. This is nothing new to the 2000 yr old church. It has happened many times and in much severe manner. But always a new era opens in the church where she changes the whole civilization itself for the glory of God. So when Bible prophesies that church gives glory to God in every generation, the church will give. Behold in coming decades a new era opens in the church and that is going to be amazing!

I thank you from the bottom of my heart. One of the best articles I have written on this subject. I shall make sure that all my christian friends read this.

Mr.Fernandes,It has been brought to the notice of the Inteeligence agancies in India that like Punjab,the Pakistani-supported terrorists are told to desecrate and damage religious places to create an atmosphere of hate.You might have read this is today’s TOI.

All my Christian brothers( I am A Hindu) should be informed through various organizations-not only in Goa but through your Christian Network( whatever means/connections you have country-wide) throughout India.Hindus don;t have anything against Christians anyway.Regards,

Very well put. clear and truthful. Sister Nivedita (Margaret Elizabeth Noble) has also pointed out that If I am not wrong about Lord Cornwallis that he was lying when he was trying to teach Hindus to be truthful. She produced an article from a Britsh journal and showed how the Lord speaks lies.She wrote in the statesman Cornwallis in filtered colors.

Mahan,though your reply is not to me,I would like to add here that many activities the world over are taking place to (1) Denigrate (2) Dismember and finally (3) Destroy India and Hinduism.

This is given in a book by Rajiv Malhotra—Breaking India.All must read this book along with Mr.M.A.Khan’s Islamic Jihad.

I wish this message gets through to all patriotic Indians.Regards,

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[…] The old, worn out canard of the victim of rape, a “71 year old nun” as the presumed work of “Hindu extremists” comes out once again. Maybe the House Library, which these busy Lords seem to rely so heavily upon, is not only incorrect on the nun’s age, but is neither up to date on events, since the BBC had reported the religious identities of the arrested men in April last year[13]. Or perhaps the Lord has little compunction in twisting the truth to paint Hindus as the personification of evil. Here is a small contribution to the Library’s resources by someone who knows India intimately and has a foothold n both Indic and Christian cultures: Maria Wirth’s “Christians are not under attack in India”[14]. […]

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Well it is wrong to say that something which has in later centuries become a social norm of a person being born into some caste as being labelled as what was originally described as parts of a society (not birth based and it is described as such in Vedas where a boy states that he is from a particular section of society while his mother and father are from totally different sections of society…) I wish to not use the word caste which is a Portuguese word miss appropriated to represent the Sanskrit terms Jati and Varna. Hinduism is not based on caste by birth but it talks of Varna by occupation… And every society has classes of people by occupation like the bishop class, nun class, royal class, peasant class… Nothing new being talked in Hinduism

I am dismantled by the hypocrisy in these comment sections. PI don’t think people here are no where familiar with India, let alone Hinduism. Do these people know what is happening in India? India is #4 in religious violence as per Pew Research. And people are claiming this is fraud?

https://qz.com/india/959802/india-is-the-fourth-worst-country-in-the-world-for-religious-violence/